What if god were real and...

[Heneni]

I also gather that you believe that after we die, if we some how don't comprehend God in the manner in which he expects us to, that we are to be sent away in shame.

I'm simply stating the fact that it is written that there will be many that say Lord Lord, but will not enter.

We are indeed required to know god. Not know about him. Not even driving out demons, healing the sick, and having great revival meetings means we know god.

There will be no strangers to god in heaven.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I'm simply stating the fact that it is written that there will be many that say Lord Lord, but will not enter.

Yep. I get it. Totally understand. There's no room in your heaven for the likes of me. No worries, I'm sure they'll be plenty of folks to talk to where I'm headed.

 

[laughter42387]

isn't that the whole reason for religion in the first place? Because we are all afraid of what meets us after death. Even those who have faith deep down i think are still afraid, that maybe what they believe is wrong.
I am terrified. Sometimes. Sometimes I am at peace with the idea of death. After all, everyone dies. Everything dies. Whatever happens in life, its over someday. Mostly I am afraid that I am just too small, too unimportant and that in the great grand scheme of the infinitely huge universe throughout the seemingly endless span of time of all existence that my life and death quite simply do not matter. Isn't that really the fear we have? Because how can we be important? even if our lives change the world, the world too will be destroyed one day. If not by us, or an asteroid, by the expanding sun. Its like the Isaac Asimov story - everything leads to entropy and entropy cannot be reversed.
Our only hope is that death and even the end of all things, is not really the end. Because I think we just want to believe that our existence just doesn't stop when we die. I don't care if God is different than everything we have ever believed. In fact, I rather expect that. I just don't want to stop existing.

 

[3.14]

i don't realy mind it if god turns out to be real and omnibenivolent (wich to me would be inconprehensable) or if the devil turns out to be a laid back guy who enjoys classic music, though i would tape it and put it on youtube

 

[Heneni]

Yep. I get it. Totally understand. There's no room in your heaven for the likes of me. No worries, I'm sure they'll be plenty of folks to talk to where I'm headed.

Ok, I understand your sarcasm. Perhaps I was looking for it. But can you just imagine for a second standing infront of god, and he doesnt actually ask you...who are you...but you ask him, WHO ARE YOU?

Then there are those that ASSUME their in the god bless me club, and will think their in with god based on their good church and works reputation, but god does not know them! Its not like god will be a complete prick and like a real prat pull his nose up in the air, stick his hand out, and say 'be gone'.

If he says he doesnt know you, it means there was never a relationship.

I did not say he was gonna send you to hell. If he says go away, the only place to go is back to earth. (Which incidently I believe is hell) At least that is what I think. For me, the goal when I die, is to hear god say, well done, enter into the 'joy' of the lord. If those people who do all those great things in the name of the lord, are not recognised I should not presume to think that I will. Its a matter of having truthful relations with god, it really is about GOD and YOU.

It is actually pretty essential that you and god recognise each other. I think that if you get there and its not what you expected god to be, then it would mean perhaps getting another chance to learn more.

I could be wrong on this. Perhaps god does not mind that we dont recognise him when we see him.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I wasn't being sarcastic I was being blunt. Also, I never said you said I was going to hell. I said I wasn't allowed in your heaven, and that's alright. I grew up Southern Baptist and realised a long time ago I wasn't going to get to go to their heaven either so not getting to go to yours doesn't bother me a bit. If I get a choice I think I'll go for Valhalla but otherwise I'll just see what happens.

 

[Heneni]

My appologies for misinterpreting your intent. Whereever you are going i trust it will make you happy!

Blessings!

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

My appologies for misinterpreting your intent. Whereever you are going i trust it will make you happy!

Blessings!

Thanks, its always nice to have well wishes. I hope we all end up in a happy place.

 

[idea]

John 3:And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD

How do we come to know Him? by following Him and doing His works.

Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

If you don't follow Him, you won't know Him
1 Sam 2:12 Now the sons of Eli were sons of Belial; they knew not the LORD.

 

[Sententia]

I cannot imagine God being any different than the perception that I have. Even if by chance He was different I would adhere to the way I believe now because I feel it is right for me.

As one would expect. Very honest answer.

 

[Sententia]

Friend Balance FX,


God is as REAL as YOU and everything that you see/hear/feel/taste/small/etc. or do not see/hear/feel/taste/small around you.
AND that is REALISATION which everyone is looking for.
Love & rgds

Actually he is not. You are lying to me and attempting to lead me astray from the path of the straight and narrow.

No one has any evidence of god. While you are welcome to your belief, acknowledge it as a beleif and accept it on faith. It is all you have.

 

[Sententia]

If God turned out to be completely different than what I imagined then that would insinuate that I knew what God was and what He wanted. Just means that it would be time to change.

If I found this out after death . . . well, there wouldn't be a whole lot I could do. I hope he doesn't hold grudges.

What if you found it he was a mushroom and not sentient at all. And you were just a byproduct of the environment that is god? And god is not forever and when he dies so does everything our kind knows... what if hes not all knowing or super powerful... what if hes just a being of unfathomable power but completely beyond us and that power has nothing to do with anything your could every really rationally think about?

What if? (Wasnt that a Sci-fi channel commercial? What if? I remember some chick that defends herself from a guy by sprouting needles like a porcupine... vaguely)

 

[Sententia]

Actually, this is exactly what everyone should expect. God is incomprehensible to human beings so how can any of the things we think about him be real. I'd be pretty disappointed to discover he was like anything I thought he would be. I expect more, much more. (And I'll be seriously disappointed if he looks like Morgan Freeman!)

Exactly... it always seemed dishonest to me that people say they know god, speak to god, know all these attributes of god and what gods plan is... when god is also supposedly incomprehensible...

If hes incomprehensible then these people are just lying or are delusioned. (Some happily so... but whatever.... you cant understand him by definition except you... bob... the preacher... you do know god... his plans... his story and his will.)

I don't believe a god exists... Atleast not a personal or superhuman diety....

 

[Sententia]

If something were true, then I would be inexplicably drawn to it, I'm sure.

Because you have a psychic power to know the truth? Scientists have spent their entire lives chasing what they believed to be true only to be disproven near the end of their lives. Some never find what they believe to be true nor are capable of proving it.

 

[Sententia]

i don't realy mind it if god turns out to be real and omnibenivolent (wich to me would be inconprehensable) or if the devil turns out to be a laid back guy who enjoys classic music, though i would tape it and put it on youtube

Heh... dude that would be awesome... like i die and gods like... Yeah... your a freak atheist boy... if it makes you feel any better, Im an atheist too... I dont believe anything created me... I mean wheres the proof?

First it was just me... I got bored so I made some angels and gave them free will... what a freak show... as an experiment I was creating all these pocket universes... and then I thought I was finally ready... so BOOM I created a real one... I rechecked my math... and everything seemed to work... except... well... I hid my mistakes pretty well so dont worry about that.... anyways I created lesser angels... see the angels were happy because they had everything they wanted... except lucifer... freak.... anyways.... so yeah... There could only be me. I think I am the fabric of the universe and all energy and stuff. Thus Im an atheist. Welcome to heaven... heres some LSD and the cool color clouds are that a way.... PEACE.

That may be a bit TOO comprehensible... but omnibenevolence would rock if it were possible. hehe.

 

[Melanieh08]

Yes.. What if God were eral?? Then What?? Ill tell you what.. What if You're wrong?? There is a God.. and there is a heaven and a hell.. Which one would you think you would end up in??? Because, as far as I know.. The word says " Those who should believe in me, should not perish but have everlasting life"... I have a question for you.. If you became ill, or someone you loved very very much were slipping away takin their last breath.. Do you think for a moment.. that you wouldnt plead with a higher power called God to let them stay a little longeR? You may say you wouldnt and that death is a part of life, but deep down I believe that wouldnt be true.. I believe... That you even if you didnt believe something inside you would have hope.. Hope comes from God.. Therefore, there would be a small part that does believe in a God..

 

[Willamena]

Actually he is not.

Obviously someone equates "God" with reality and someone does not.


Are you telling me you know that "God" is not reality?

If so, I'll have to ask: "How do you know?"

 

[nerb]

Well, as a Christian, I do not think that there will be much ambiguity after death. According to the Bible, the only book that matters to me, then I can see a good "expectation" plan laid out before us. So, I'll maintain that the incomprehendability is only disguised as the surprise of JOY I recieve not being able to comprehend perfection, as Heaven will be. No death, pain, tears...that is no fathomable to me, as I could imagine it is not for anyone who is true to themselvse.

But, more or less, you're arguement is begging the question if one is wrong about their suppositions of the afterlife, and what they would do. This is no more fathomable than the incomprehensability of not understanding the perfection of God. Ignorance, in this case, is absolute. Since there can not be degrees to ignorance in this example, then no answer is suffice any better than another. The same incomprehensibility is the same for both my beliefs I maintain now, and the only answer that I could give if I were wrong---they're both completely unknown.

 

[Sententia]

Obviously someone equates "God" with reality and someone does not.


Are you telling me you know that "God" is not reality?

If so, I'll have to ask: "How do you know?"

So the argument... I'm exploring this... remember I still want to learn, but do not want to be misled... hehe...

So the argument goes anyone is free to say anything but without proof of its existence or the existence of its effects then whatever the person was free to say is by default false.

So.. I do not have to prove that god is not reality. Nothing requires it. For all intents and purposes it is no more real the the giant from jack and the beanstalk. You would never ask me to disprove the giant in the beanstalk story but with god you take exception... That seems to be a problem with your reality and not mine and one you must explain... Barring that you rationalize...

 

[Sententia]

Well, as a Christian, I do not think that there will be much ambiguity after death. According to the Bible, the only book that matters to me, then I can see a good "expectation" plan laid out before us. So, I'll maintain that the incomprehendability is only disguised as the surprise of JOY I recieve not being able to comprehend perfection, as Heaven will be. No death, pain, tears...that is no fathomable to me, as I could imagine it is not for anyone who is true to themselvse.

But, more or less, you're arguement is begging the question if one is wrong about their suppositions of the afterlife, and what they would do. This is no more fathomable than the incomprehensability of not understanding the perfection of God. Ignorance, in this case, is absolute. Since there can not be degrees to ignorance in this example, then no answer is suffice any better than another. The same incomprehensibility is the same for both my beliefs I maintain now, and the only answer that I could give if I were wrong---they're both completely unknown.

Precisely. So why do people think they know? Why is it Jesus and not Ra? Why is heaven and what is demanded of us on this earth so precisely defined? Why is it mormonism and not catholism? Islamic? Muslim?

You answered correctly... You can not know. You do not know. Yet you act as if you do. Your religion is the one to follow and its your god... its fasting or not masterbating that gets you to heaven... As long as you dont covet a neighbors wife... etc etc...

And then these people will knock on your door and ask you... Would you like to live forever in a paradise on earth, they know how you can do it.... Or the mormons or the preacher in the front of every church....

They are no more qualified then you. They do probably know more about the bible and religion in general but why does that actually matter? No one can possibly know.

And people that say they can speak to god and god speaks to them are just outright dishonest and lying... They can probably move objects with their mind and are the only creatures capable of mental human flight...

Good answer though... made me think about the question myself... hehe.