Jeremiah
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So then you are an atheist?
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What if there's no God?
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So then you are an atheist?
Jeremiah
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Or ask most theists to contemplate gods other than their own.
Likely to get some free dental work then.
Yes, and it is always annoying when they have to try and "correct" you. Like if you say gods they'll say, "God, there is only one."
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
The world would bear a remarkable resemblance to the one we live in.
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
Newp, my religious affiliation is right there *point upward to under his Username*.
Why would you assume I am an atheist?
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
Quite right.
Jeremiah
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"Newp"
Then try to imagine thinking like one: What would you make of say determinism without factoring in any gods? Or the meaning of life? Morality? Truth?
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
I think a better question is how and why would you fit 'deity' into these things?
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
Now again I'll have to ask for clarification.
Those things you mentioned are a matter of religion (or in the case of morals, religion pretending to own/generate).
Are you speaking about a world without gods and/or no Jehovah, the Abrahamic religions in general, or simply no deities and no religion whatsoever.
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Jeremiah
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Like pulling teeth.
Jeremiah
Well-Known Member
Maybe you should give it a try, you might find it philosophically illuminating.
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
Hey, you're the one who keeps changing the parameters of your question.
sonofskeptish
It is what it is
What if there's no Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Jeremiah
Well-Known Member
There was nothing wrong with my questions.
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
Look, let's clear things up.
God(s) - Supernatural entities who are the targets of human worship.
Religion - The manner in which people worship said dieties, and show their devotion to those entities to themselves, their gods, and more importantly, their neighbors in their religious community. Religion also contains the myths that describe (or attempt to describe) said Deity, and the proscribed manner of living for adherents, religious laws for said religious community IOW.
The gods and religion aren't dependant on one another, and either could certainly exist without the other.
If there are no gods, religion would still be present, and the world would be unchanged.
However, the world would be drastically different without religion.
Social mores and morals, such as those that state the Big Three (murder/theft/rape) as undesirable and criminal, would still be present.
Religious laws/morals, such as those directed at oppressing gays, would not be present.
Jeremiah
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"Look, let's clear things up."
Forget about everything below that sentence. Forget about religion, forget about actual gods. Whatever your beliefs are now, take just one contemplation and look it from and "atheistic" POV.
It is not a matter of religion or science, it is a philosophical inquiry. This is very simple, here is an example ( remember just an example):
Is freewill possible in a deterministic reality?
In a deterministic reality with the omnimax God in it, that god would be the only thing with freedom. If everything is cause and effect then only the omnimax Alpha would have freedom. We would only share in that freedom if, instead of being separate from God, we where a part of Him. An extension, and everything we do is what God wants and what we want because we would be one and the same. We would be the motion of His will, the movement of His power and we would lose our freedom, in perception only, when we viewed ourselves as separate.
In a godless reality, with the Alpha out of sight, it comes down to one question: Is the motion in our conscious from our conscious or is it simply borrowed motion moving through our conscious?
And for the love of Zeus don't make me pull out the Aristotle quote again.
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
"What if there's no God?"
The original post. Note the G. Only one god is generally capitalized in that matter, the god of the Abrahamics, Jehovah.
If you are going to take te thread in another direction, then you need to be more concise.
In reply to the above...
Who says that in a deterministic reality with one omnipotent Godhead demiurge, said deity didn't create us with free will already in palce, ie the ability to act ourside of said Godhead's own "personality" and views?
*snicker*