What "if" you are wrong

[Spice]

Is this God, say, triune or unitary?

Whichever your answer, a lot of monotheists believe in a different God.

Same God, different perspective. I thought my dad a quiet man. My oldest brother thought him cold. Same man, different perspectives and experiences based on those perspectives.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Then ~80% of Christians - so ~30% of theists - don't believe in your God.




You argued that God wants people to believe in him, and disagreed when I said that he mostly fails by pointing to the number of theists in the world.

However, you've just told us that many of the theists you originally counted don't believe in your God at all, but believe in what you consider to be a false god.


If the God that someone believes in isn't the same as the God that you believe in, then they would be an example of a failure on your God's part to convince people of his existence.

God is like the Sun. In each Day, the Sun rises, and gives light to the world.
Once, God, the Sun of Truth rises from Jesus, another Day from Muhammad, another Day from Baha'u'llah.
Regardless if people, believe in God, and His Manifestations, the light of God enlightens the world of humanity.
It is just that, the Bahais see progression in human civilization as a result of God's progressive revelations, but others may not attribute it to God's Revelations. Eitherway, God's purpose did not fail.
This world as it is right now, is exactly how God wanted it to be. It is not like, God wanted the world to be different, but it turned out to be like it is now.

God's will is not to make everyone a believer. There is a wisdom in this.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

God is like the Sun. In each Day, the Sun rises, and gives light to the world.
Once, God, the Sun of Truth rises from Jesus, another Day from Muhammad, another Day from Baha'u'llah.
Regardless if people, believe in God, and His Manifestations, the light of God enlightens the world of humanity.
It is just that, the Bahais see progression in human civilization as a result of God's progressive revelations, but others may not attribute it to God's Revelations. Eitherway, God's purpose did not fail.
This world as it is right now, is exactly how God wanted it to be. It is not like, God wanted the world to be different, but it turned out to be like it is now.

God's will is not to make everyone a believer. There is a wisdom in this.

I get it: even though your religion's tenets imply that lots of gods are false, you don't come out and say this. In order to facilitate your proselytizing, you present your religion as the fulfillment of your marks' religions as much as you can.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I get it: even though your religion's tenets imply that lots of gods are false, you don't come out and say this. In order to facilitate your proselytizing, you present your religion as the fulfillment of your marks' religions as much as you can.

That is not what I said.
God creates both light and darkness.
By "light" it is meant "knowledge, guidance that leads to goodness in the world"
By "darkness" it is mean "ignorance, falsehood that leads to evil.

if you are clever, now you should ask Why would a wise, omnipotent and kind God create the world to have both goodness and evil?
Why does not He create a world without evil in it?
This is what you should ask next.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I get it: even though your religion's tenets imply that lots of gods are false, you don't come out and say this. In order to facilitate your proselytizing, you present your religion as the fulfillment of your marks' religions as much as you can.

You don’t get it. It’s been explained to you many times now, that there may be a multitude of God-concepts, as there are multitudes of cultures and languages. And that these diverse paradigms, diverse perspectives, each address the same divine mystery. For how can you describe that which is beyond words, that which must be felt in the heart before it can be conceptualised in the mind?

 

[Audie]

A soul does not imply a god. A god does not imply a soul.

Sure it does.

 

[Audie]

That is not what I said.
God creates both light and darkness.
By "light" it is meant "knowledge, guidance that leads to goodness in the world"
By "darkness" it is mean "ignorance, falsehood that leads to evil.

if you are clever, now you should ask Why would a wise, omnipotent and kind God create the world to have both goodness and evil?
Why does not He create a world without evil in it?
This is what you should ask next.

If you are clever, tell us of what use it
is to "investigate truth" when you end
with 100% unevidenced fantasy?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That is not what I said.

Correct. It's what I said.

God creates both light and darkness.
By "light" it is meant "knowledge, guidance that leads to goodness in the world"
By "darkness" it is mean "ignorance, falsehood that leads to evil.

if you are clever, now you should ask Why would a wise, omnipotent and kind God create the world to have both goodness and evil?
Why does not He create a world without evil in it?
This is what you should ask next.

That's just one narrow case of the larger question: why are the actions of an "all-powerful and all-knowing" God entirely consistent with God not existing at all?

Why doesn't God prevent evil? Ultimately, it's because that would imply the existence of a God that actually does verifiable stuff, and we know thar such a God doesn't fit the facts on the ground.

 

[Ignatius A]

You talk to a lot of atheists?
I would also be a billionaire.

Far too many

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You don’t get it. It’s been explained to you many times now, that there may be a multitude of God-concepts, as there are multitudes of cultures and languages. And that these diverse paradigms, diverse perspectives, each address the same divine mystery. For how can you describe that which is beyond words, that which must be felt in the heart before it can be conceptualised in the mind?

As a general rule, I take the position that things that are "beyond words" aren't described with words, and that things described with words aren't "beyond words."

Also, whenever someone does use words to "describe" what they say is "beyond words," I take this as their way of announcing that the "words" they're saying are just meaningless sounds and not real communication of actual ideas.

 

[Trailblazer]

Far too many

How many is too many? I love talking to atheists.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

That's just one narrow case of the larger question: why are the actions of an "all-powerful and all-knowing" God entirely consistent with God not existing at all?

it is an understandable question.

if there is an all-powerful, all-knowing God, who else, other than the God Himself can answer your question best?

Why doesn't God prevent evil?

I suggest, The first thing to know, is what is the purpose of God for creating this world. Because if we know what is the purpose of God for creating it, then, we can see why it is like this.

why God created this world:

"The world is a school in which there must be Teachers of the Word of God. The evidence of the ability of these Teachers is efficient education of the graduating classes."

"...things are often known by their opposites. Were it not for darkness, light could not be sensed. Were it not for death, life could not be known. If ignorance did not exist, knowledge would not be a reality. It is necessary that each should exist in order that the other should have reality. Night and day must be in order that each may be distinguished. Night itself is an indication and evidence of day which follows, and day itself indicates the coming night. Unless night were a reality, there could not be day. Were it not for death, there could be no life. Things are known by their opposites."

Search – Authoritative Writings and Guidance | Bahá’í Reference Library

www.bahai.org

So, why there is evil? So that goodness becomes a reality and can be known. If there was no evil in this world, we would not know what goodness is. This world is a school, that we learn goodness, and develop good attributes.

We need to understand and practice good attributes, so that, our soul becomes ready to live on, in the Spiritual worlds of God, after we pass.

If you are clever, you should ask, what evidence is there that, God has created Evil, and Goodness. How did God create Evil and Goodness? This is the question

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

it is an understandable question.

if there is an all-powerful, all-knowing God, who else, other than the God Himself can answer your question best?

Do you understand that begging the question is irrational? Your reply suggests you don't.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Do you understand that begging the question is irrational? Your reply suggests you don't.

Do you see, the rest of my post though?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Do you see, the rest of my post though?

The part where you tried to use my rhetorical question as a toehold for promoting your religion? Yes - I saw it, recognized it for what it was, and decided it wasn't worth responding to.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Looking at this post again:

If you are clever, you should ask, what evidence is there that, God has created Evil, and Goodness. How did God create Evil and Goodness? This is the question

It seems to me that if @RestlessSoul and @Spice are right, then there can be no such evidence.

To have evidence that "X" did "Y", you would need to define what the heck we mean by "X," but both of them claim that God is some sort of undefined mystery.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The part where you tried to use my rhetorical question as a toehold for promoting your religion? Yes - I saw it, recognized it for what it was, and decided it wasn't worth responding to.

Well, it is upto you. But, I suppose it made sense to you, otherwise you would have brought your reasoning against it.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Looking at this post again:



It seems to me that if @RestlessSoul and @Spice are right, then there can be no such evidence.

To have evidence that "X" did "Y", you would need to define what the heck we mean by "X," but both of them claim that God is some sort of undefined mystery.

X is God, who has sent Prophets to the world. We are talking about this God. The One who spoke through Jesus, Muhammad, and Baha'u'llah.
Previously through Krishna and Buddha and Zoroaster.
How did this God, create Evil and Goodness?

 

[Trailblazer]

It seems to me that if @RestlessSoul and @Spice are right, then there can be no such evidence.

No, there can't be.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, it is upto you. But, I suppose it made sense to you, otherwise you would have brought your reasoning against it.

Are you new to the internet?

None of us are entitled to replies to our posts, and a lack of a reply doesn't imply agreement.

The only conclusion you're justified in drawing is that I see engaging with Gish Gallops as pointless.