You're describing God with words. @RestlessSoul has told us that God is beyond words.
You can't both be right, so please confer with them to figure out who's right and who's wrong here.
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You can't both be right, so please confer with them to figure out who's right and who's wrong here.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
We could both be wrong, and it still wouldn’t make you right.
But go ahead; claim victory, and place the hollow crown upon your head. See how it fits.
I didn't say it would.
I just noted that in your attempt to support @InvestigateTruth , you ended up contradicting their position. I thought you might want to sort that out, but you do you.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
It’s you who is getting himself tied up in nots, not me or any other poster. That’s how it looks to me, anyway.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
@InvestigateTruth said that God has sent Prophets to the world. The One who spoke through Jesus, Muhammad, and Baha'u'llah.
How is that describing God?
Nobody answered, so I went elsewhere.
I don't know why you think you know that, but if you are correct, your god succeeded. Most don't believe it exists.
That wasn't my question.
Still not an answer to the question asked.
But it's interesting that you think that you might not be interested in truth or love without your god belief.
Also, that god belief more or less defines those words to you. Truth is whatever you believe about your god or whatever you believe it said, and love is what you call what you think that god did, which includes creating and unleashing a master demon onto earth and humanity, creating a torture pit and sending most people to it to suffer gratuitously forever for being human but not expressing fealty to it, and a requiring blood sacrifice necessary for it to deign to allow you to spend eternity with it. That's not my definition of love.
That was in reply to, "Couples that choose not to increase the population of the world are doing us all a favor just as those that got vaccines, those that put up solar panels on their roofs, and those that don't eat meat are all making a contribution to the well-being of humanity."
Assuming that you've produced children, what makes you think that you have contributed more to the world than childless couples like my wife and I have? You have no idea what our contributions have been, and generating children wouldn't make the world better if those kids didn't make the world better.
My wife has a girlfriend with two siblings that can only make the world better by leaving it. The girlfriend makes the world better, but only by being a pleasant person to be with, being self-sufficient, being a good neighbor, and imposing no burden on anybody. The sibs have difficulty staying out of jail, and are both chronic substance abusers on government assistance. Would you say that her parents contributed more to the world than childless parents would have? I wouldn't.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I guess God had His cell turned off.
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
Through the laws of the Universe -- known and yet to be discovered. ie. Newton's 3rd Law: every force on an object exerted by another object has a corresponding (equal and opposite) force on the other object (of the same type). E.g.: when I'm in free-fall, I am accelerating. So what humankind has deemed good and evil are what we've made of the Ceator's balance. Killing is a natural and needed action of this world to support the natural cycle of life. However, humankind turned it into Evil when made into "murder." In this way humankind created Evil.
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Hmmm, care to explain why you think so?
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
I am not describing God in words.
I am saying, the God who talked though the Prophets. There is a difference.
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
I know that because God has said that through Baha'u'llah and also its wisdom is explained.
ppp said: A soul does not imply a god. A god does not imply a soul.
Why would a powerful, self existent, incorporeal personage necessitate individual incorporeal spirits within corporeal beings?
How so? Why does an individual's incorporeal spirit imply a separate, powerful, self-existent powerful, incorporeal personage?
Why would a powerful, self existent, incorporeal personage necessitate individual incorporeal spirits within corporeal beings?
Audie
Veteran Member
Didn't say hadda be that kind
Love is defined in the Bible. I would not know it without it. And truth it something that is a fact, regardless of what people think.
Torture pit? Suffering for ever? I don't think those who are destroyed feel anything.
Don’t be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna [hell].
Matt. 10:28
And creating satan, people wanted to know evil, should God have left you ignorant?
Ok, I now think all people contribute as much.
In regards of this, I just read an interesting article about China' population control. It is interesting how all communist/socialist countries seems to have a problem with low birth rate. In a way it shows that kids are important for communist/socialist regimes. Obviously this doesn't mean they care about people. They care about their power and money. And if people don't contribute with delivering enough babies to be exploited, the regime leaders position gets weaker.
Childless China: Coercive Population Plan Implodes | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
In that way it could be said, those who get children, contribute much, by producing slaves for the governments. I agree, it is not a good thing. But, just shows what is the contribution. Obviously not all of them are beneficial for the government, but usually most of them are.
I personally don't demand contribution to the world. And it is quite complex issue what is really contributing in a good way. I just hope people don't think there is too many people, or not enough resources for more people. I think it is wrong how some people say that people should not have kids.
I don't need a holy book to tell me what love is.
Also, I told you that I reject the Christian definition of love. I don't consider the Christian god as Christians describe it as loving.
People do believe that. I believe that.
People say that about themselves.
Audie
Veteran Member
"God is love".Love is defined in the Bible. I would not know it without it. And truth it something that is a fact, regardless of what people think.
Torture pit? Suffering for ever? I don't think those who are destroyed feel anything.
Don’t be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna [hell].
Matt. 10:28
And creating satan, people wanted to know evil, should God have left you ignorant?
Ok, I now think all people contribute as much.
In regards of this, I just read an interesting article about China' population control. It is interesting how all communist/socialist countries seems to have a problem with low birth rate. In a way it shows that kids are important for communist/socialist regimes. Obviously this doesn't mean they care about people. They care about their power and money. And if people don't contribute with delivering enough babies to be exploited, the regime leaders position gets weaker.
Childless China: Coercive Population Plan Implodes | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zerowww.zerohedge.com
In that way it could be said, those who get children, contribute much, by producing slaves for the governments. I agree, it is not a good thing. But, just shows what is the contribution. Obviously not all of them are beneficial for the government, but usually most of them are.
I personally don't demand contribution to the world. And it is quite complex issue what is really contributing in a good way. I just hope people don't think there is too many people, or not enough resources for more people. I think it is wrong how some people say that people should not have kids.
According to " bible"
And
"God" kills millions, ignores pain, suffering
of his " children", does nothing for anyone.
But, fail to follow his rules and don't love him
enough he will kill you then torture you.
Demonstrates his love by torturing himself.
Representations of torture and cannibalism are
central in christianity. Drinking blood!!!
That defines "love".
Guess why christianity does not get traction here.
I will stick with Chinese understanding of love.
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Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
God doesnt torture anyone. Why do people repeat things that aren't true?
It doesnt get traction because of people pride. People judge God by their rules. That's just not how it works.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Because this is a public forum and they can get away with it.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
That really is true.Because this is a public forum and they can get away with it.