What in the Hell is Hell?

[Hawkins]

A person lives a very , less than righteous lifestyle, full of greed, anger and such. He dies and goes to hell? From a Abrahamic standpoint, what would be 'Hell"? He doesn't have a body anymore so, he can't feel 'burning fire'. He can't see, due to not having a body so he can't see 'fire'. So , USING THE BIBLE/QURAN/HOLY BOOK , what part of the person is tortured in hell, without a body?

Without a brain, body, memories, feelings and physical attributes What is really of a 'person' to send to HELL? Wouldn't the be a completely diffrent person or not them?

The soul is the master copy of a human. The body is much less important as it decays with every information in it lost along with it. So if an eternity (heaven) is to be built, the body will not be used as a human's permanent ID. It's rather interested to speculate how people speak without a body (I was given a chance to do so).

In the Jewish concept, hell is sheol where everyone goes after death with only a few exception such as Enoch and Elijah. Everyone is basically in sheol. However some of them are with God they are thus in a form of 'paradise' instead of 'hell'. Only those not with God are in hell. (The same sneak peek tells me that certain souls will be put into a deep sleep till the resurrection. Others (the wicked) will have to wait in the darkness till the coming of the final judgment, they are thus considered as in hell).

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

In the Jewish concept, ...

Please don't arrogate to yourself the right to explain "the Jewish concept."

 

[Hawkins]

Please don't arrogate to yourself the right to explain "the Jewish concept."

So in your opinion, who has such a right? Perhaps only the Jews before 70 AD?

Let me mind you this, this is a public forum where everyone is entitled to his own opinion.

Moreover, present your arguments instead of throwing out personal attacks.

 

[rusra02]

A person lives a very , less than righteous lifestyle, full of greed, anger and such. He dies and goes to hell? From a Abrahamic standpoint, what would be 'Hell"? He doesn't have a body anymore so, he can't feel 'burning fire'. He can't see, due to not having a body so he can't see 'fire'. So , USING THE BIBLE/QURAN/HOLY BOOK , what part of the person is tortured in hell, without a body?

Without a brain, body, memories, feelings and physical attributes What is really of a 'person' to send to HELL? Wouldn't the be a completely diffrent person or not them?

The Bible does not teach that the wicked are tormented in a burning fire in hell. The Hebrew word translated "hell" in many Bibles is Sheol. Sheol is the common grave of mankind, from which both righteous and unrighteous ones will be resurrected. (Acts 24:15) Death is likened to sleep in the Bible, not bliss nor torment. (John 11:11)

 

[jojom]

The Bible does not teach that the wicked are tormented in a burning fire in hell. The Hebrew word translated "hell" in many Bibles is Sheol. Sheol is the common grave of mankind, from which both righteous and unrighteous ones will be resurrected. (Acts 24:15) Death is likened to sleep in the Bible, not bliss nor torment. (John 11:11)

Upon the wicked He will rain snares; Fire and brimstone and burning wind will be the portion of their cup. (Psalm 11:6)

You will make them as a fiery oven in the time of your anger; The LORD will swallow them up in His wrath, And fire will devour them. (Psalm 21:9)

For behold, the LORD will come in fire And His chariots like the whirlwind, To render His anger with fury, And His rebuke with flames of fire. (Isaiah 66:15)

For the LORD will execute execute judgment by flames of fire. And those slain by the LORD will be many. (Isaiah 66:16)

"And His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (Matthew 3:12)

"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." (Revelation 14:11)

"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:41-42)

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)

"And if your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. (Mark 9:47-48)

And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, (2 Thessalonians 1:9)​

So we have the following going on.

rains of snares
fire and brimstone
burning wind
fiery oven
devouring fire
God's anger with fury
flames of fire.
judgment by flames of fire
slaying by the lord
unquenchable fire
smoke of torment
no rest day and night,
casting into the furnace of fire
second death
eternal destruction
the worm wont be dying


.
​

 

[Levite]

In the Jewish concept, hell is sheol where everyone goes after death with only a few exception such as Enoch and Elijah. Everyone is basically in sheol. However some of them are with God they are thus in a form of 'paradise' instead of 'hell'. Only those not with God are in hell. (The same sneak peek tells me that certain souls will be put into a deep sleep till the resurrection. Others (the wicked) will have to wait in the darkness till the coming of the final judgment, they are thus considered as in hell).

Incorrect. You need to study some actual texts on the history of Jewish theology and eschatology.

 

[ether-ore]

A person lives a very , less than righteous lifestyle, full of greed, anger and such. He dies and goes to hell? From a Abrahamic standpoint, what would be 'Hell"? He doesn't have a body anymore so, he can't feel 'burning fire'. He can't see, due to not having a body so he can't see 'fire'. So , USING THE BIBLE/QURAN/HOLY BOOK , what part of the person is tortured in hell, without a body?

Without a brain, body, memories, feelings and physical attributes What is really of a 'person' to send to HELL? Wouldn't the be a completely diffrent person or not them?

There's this thing called the resurrection where everyone gets their own body back (albeit, it will be immortal) just prior to the day of judgment. If the individual has repented, then Christ's atonement saves that individual from having to pay the penalty for their sins; which suffering can be considered hell. After whatever physical penalty is paid, (and there is nothing that says an immortal body cannot feel pain) the individual goes to whatever state of being he is assigned; which assignment is according the degree of sins he committed. The point is however, he can never return home to his Heavenly Father for no unclean thing can go there. So hell really is defined as permanent separation from God.

 

[rusra02]

Upon the wicked He will rain snares; Fire and brimstone and burning wind will be the portion of their cup. (Psalm 11:6)

You will make them as a fiery oven in the time of your anger; The LORD will swallow them up in His wrath, And fire will devour them. (Psalm 21:9)

For behold, the LORD will come in fire And His chariots like the whirlwind, To render His anger with fury, And His rebuke with flames of fire. (Isaiah 66:15)

For the LORD will execute execute judgment by flames of fire. And those slain by the LORD will be many. (Isaiah 66:16)

"And His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (Matthew 3:12)

"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." (Revelation 14:11)

"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:41-42)

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)

"And if your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. (Mark 9:47-48)

And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, (2 Thessalonians 1:9)​

So we have the following going on.

rains of snares
fire and brimstone
burning wind
fiery oven
devouring fire
God's anger with fury
flames of fire.
judgment by flames of fire
slaying by the lord
unquenchable fire
smoke of torment
no rest day and night,
casting into the furnace of fire
second death
eternal destruction
the worm wont be dying


.
​

[/QUOTE
The Scriptures you quote refer to the destruction of the wicked. God used fire and sulphur to destroy Sodom and the surrounding cities. Note that eternal destruction is the outcome for the wicked, according to 2 Thessalonians 1:9) Revelation 21:8 speaks of a symbolic lake of fire "which is the second death", from which no resurrection is possible. That this lake is not literal is clear from what else ends up there; "death and the grave" according to

 

[rusra02]

Upon the wicked He will rain snares; Fire and brimstone and burning wind will be the portion of their cup. (Psalm 11:6)

You will make them as a fiery oven in the time of your anger; The LORD will swallow them up in His wrath, And fire will devour them. (Psalm 21:9)

For behold, the LORD will come in fire And His chariots like the whirlwind, To render His anger with fury, And His rebuke with flames of fire. (Isaiah 66:15)

For the LORD will execute execute judgment by flames of fire. And those slain by the LORD will be many. (Isaiah 66:16)

"And His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (Matthew 3:12)

"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." (Revelation 14:11)

"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:41-42)

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)

"And if your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. (Mark 9:47-48)

And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, (2 Thessalonians 1:9)​

So we have the following going on.

rains of snares
fire and brimstone
burning wind
fiery oven
devouring fire
God's anger with fury
flames of fire.
judgment by flames of fire
slaying by the lord
unquenchable fire
smoke of torment
no rest day and night,
casting into the furnace of fire
second death
eternal destruction
the worm wont be dying


.
​

[/QUOTE
The Scriptures you quote refer to the destruction of the wicked. God used fire and sulphur to destroy Sodom and the surrounding cities. Note that eternal destruction is the outcome for the wicked, according to 2 Thessalonians 1:9. Revelation 21:8 speaks of a symbolic lake of fire "which is the second death", from which no resurrection is possible. That this lake is not literal is clear from what else ends up there; "death and the grave" according to Revelation 20:14. Regarding the scripture you quote at Mark 9:48, note this quote from the Catholic work El evangelio de Marcos. Análisis lingüístico y comentario exegético, Volume II: “[The] phrase is taken from Isaiah (66,24). There the prophet shows the two ways corpses were usually destroyed: putrefaction and incineration . . . The juxtaposition in the text of maggots and fire reinforces the idea of destruction. . . . Both destructive forces are described as permanent (‘is not quenched, does not die’): there is simply no way to escape them. In this image, the only survivors are the maggot and the fire—not man—and they both annihilate anything that falls within their power. Hence, this is not a description of everlasting torment, but one of total destruction which, as it prevents resurrection from occurring, is tantamount to final death. [Fire] is, then, a symbol of annihilation.”

 

[Sariel]

Upon the wicked He will rain snares; Fire and brimstone and burning wind will be the portion of their cup. (Psalm 11:6)
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and yet the same language is used for God's judgement on places like Edom: For my sword has drunk its fill in heaven;now it descends on Edom to judge them,the people I have doomed to destruction.”...Its streams will be changed to tar, its dust to sulfur, its land burning tar that will not be quenched night or day;its smoke will rise forever.In all generations it will lie waste;no one will pass through it ever again. (Isa 34:5-10)
It's not still on fire is it?

 

[jojom]

and yet the same language is used for God's judgement on places like Edom: For my sword has drunk its fill in heaven;now it descends on Edom to judge them,the people I have doomed to destruction.”...Its streams will be changed to tar, its dust to sulfur, its land burning tar that will not be quenched night or day;its smoke will rise forever.In all generations it will lie waste;no one will pass through it ever again. (Isa 34:5-10)
It's not still on fire is it?

In other words, one can't trust anything the Bible says. Okay, I can go along with that.


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[URAVIP2ME]

and yet the same language is used for God's judgement on places like Edom: For my sword has drunk its fill in heaven;now it descends on Edom to judge them,the people I have doomed to destruction.”...Its streams will be changed to tar, its dust to sulfur, its land burning tar that will not be quenched night or day;its smoke will rise forever.In all generations it will lie waste;no one will pass through it ever again. (Isa 34:5-10)
It's not still on fire is it?

It's ' smoke will rise forever ' means Edom will never exist again. It does Not mean Edom is on fire today but total destruction for Edom.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

In other words, one can't trust anything the Bible says. Okay, I can go along with that.
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Rather it is false clergy - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 - who you can't trust.
Jesus did Not trust the religious leaders of his day - Matthew 15:9 - but Jesus trusted religious truth - John 17:17 as found in Scripture.

Can you think of anyone righteous who went to hell ?__________
According to Acts of the Apostles 2:27 the day Jesus died Jesus went to the Bible's hell or grave.
Jesus taught only sleep in death - John 11:11-14 - so while in biblical hell Jesus was in a sleep-like state.
Jesus learned that unconscious sleeping condition for the dead from the old Hebrew Scriptures such as found at:
Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
So, unlike permanent religious-myth hell of burning forever, biblical hell is the temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead.
Even the word cemetery means: sleeping place.

Acts of the Apostles 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be' a resurrection.......because it is during Jesus' future coming 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth that the majority of mankind will be resurrected back to healthy physical life on earth. - Revelation 22:2 - when mankind will happily see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for all of earth's nations.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

There's this thing called the resurrection where everyone gets their own body back (albeit, it will be immortal) just prior to the day of judgment. If the individual has repented, then Christ's atonement saves that individual from having to pay the penalty for their sins; which suffering can be considered hell. After whatever physical penalty is paid, (and there is nothing that says an immortal body cannot feel pain) the individual goes to whatever state of being he is assigned; which assignment is according the degree of sins he committed. The point is however, he can never return home to his Heavenly Father for no unclean thing can go there. So hell really is defined as permanent separation from God.

If biblical hell is permanent separation from God, then how do you explain that after everyone in the Bible's hell is ' delivered up' ( resurrected ) out of the Bible's hell, then emptied-out biblical hell is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death ' of Revelation 20:13-14. Even wicked sinner Satan ends up in (No hell ) but in ' second death ' - Revelation 21:8

If biblical hell were permanent they why would Jesus have keys to unlock the Bible's temporary hell or grave.- Revelation 1:18

Was there a postmortem penalty for Adam ?______ Rather sinner Adam simply ' returned ' to the dust - Genesis 3:19
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
There was No ' double jeopardy ' for Adam. Adam's death paid in full the asking price for his sins.- Romans 6:23
Unlike Adam, we can sin by mistake, so unlike Adam, through Jesus we can be forgiven - Romans 6:7

There is No Scripture stating Adam was created as immortal. Adam could only have ' everlasting life ' on earth if he kept God's Law.
Even the angels are Not created as immortal because wicked angels are subject to ' second death ' as Satan is - Revelation 21:8
Since Jesus will destroy Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B - then mortal Satan is Not immortal or death proof, and ' second death ' is a fitting term for destruction. As Psalms 92:7 says the wicked will be destroyed forever as in annihilated.

We have a figurative ' day of judgment ' ahead of us at the soon coming ' time of separation ' of Matthew 25:31-32 right here on earth among the living. The 'sheep'-like ones can remain alive on earth, and continue to live on earth right into the start of Jesus' coming millennium-long day of governing over earth, or earthly subjects of God's kingdom for a thousand years.- 1 Corinthians 15:24

 

[Neo Deist]

All good points! But from a strictly "Abrahamic" viewpoint "hell" is "Sheol" (Hebrew) or hades (Greek)

The Hebrew Scriptures do not portray Sheol as anything but mankind's common grave. There is no conscious existence in this place. "The dead know nothing" (Eccl 9:5, 10) Belief in an immortal soul that lives on after death is borrowed from pagan religious belief and a desire in man to go on living....somewhere. But in the Bible death is death and return to the ground, just as God told Adam. God gave him breath and he became a living soul...God took his breath away and he died.(Gen 2:7; 3:19) The soul is not immortal. (Ezekiel 18:4)

All prospects for future life in the OT were by means of a resurrection back to life on earth in the flesh. Jesus himself demonstrated a few himself. When he brought his friend Lazarus back to life, he told his disciples that he was just "sleeping" (John 11:11-14)

There is no torment after death for all the reason you stated.

This.

Plus in Revelation 20, you will find where it states that the dead will be raised from their graves and judged according to their deeds. That means that those people/souls were not in heaven, merely "asleep" in their graves (I believe the JW's use the term Soul Sleep).

In the very next chapter of Revelation 21, you will find where it states that the righteous who pass judgment will go on to new earth, not heaven.

It helps if people actually read the Bible...or if preachers actually teach from it.

 

[kerndog]

The rich man and Lazarus is a parable. It cannot be taken literally for very good reasons. Jesus was a Jew, giving an illustration to a Jewish audience. They had no belief in hell as a place of conscious torment. Hell was "sheol" which to a Jew is simply the grave. (Eccl 9:5, 10) Jesus did not teach untruths to his Jewish listeners. He used their scriptures to reinforce what he taught. Never did he mention an immortal soul....in fact, there is not one single passage of scripture that mentions those two words side by side...ever. The soul is the mortal person as a whole being.



On the contrary.....it is a very "Abrahamic" view. Christendom's version of "hell" is Greek, not Jewish.
The "Abrahamic" view does not support the existence of human spirits. Spirits mentioned in the scriptures were either angels or demons...neither of which were former sons of Adam. All spiritistic practices were forbidden is Israel. (Deut 18:9-12)



The modern Jews have a very different belief about hell than the ancient Jews did. The Jewish Scriptures teach resurrection, not the survival of an immortal soul that can feel or see or participate in any kind of "afterlife".
The soul dies when man dies. (Ezekiel 18:4)

The Bible teaches that there is a fiery Hell, a place that Jesus warned people about.
"And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8).1
Eternal fire is real. Jesus said that it was. In fact, Jesus spoke a great deal about Hell. It is what Jesus came here to save us from.
There will be a Day of Judgment when all people will face God. Those who are not covered by the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross will be cast out into Hell where they will undergo eternal punishment. "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matt. 25:46). In this verse, the same word "eternal" is used to describe the punishment of the wicked as well as the eternal life of the believer. The punishment is endless as is the eternal life of the believer. That is why the Gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-4) is so important because it saves people from eternal damnation.
Following are a few verses that show the eternality of the Hell and punishment. God uses different phrases to describe the same thing.
"And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power," (2 Thess. 1:9).
"Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 7).
These men are those who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever," (Jude12-13).
In one sense you can say He doesn't send anybody to Hell, because across the road to Hell he has placed the cross of Christ. There are also the prayers of parents, pastors and Sunday school teachers, and all the other things that God brings into our lives to stop us on our selfish way and to bring us to the Savior. We have to go wandering on past it all and put ourselves in Hell.
This world is full of suffering mainly because of the incredible fruit of sin. Sin brings suffering into the world. There's no way of getting around it. And the greatest sin in the world is to reject the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior.
God’s love does not compel Him to eliminate the necessary punishment and consequence for sin, but instead compels Him to offer us a way to avoid this consequence altogether. By offering forgiveness through the sacrifice of Christ on the cross (who took our punishment), God demonstrated His love for us. It cannot be said that a loving God would never create a place like Hell if that same God has provided us with a way to avoid it which is through Jesus Christ.

If we have an imortal soul that goes to heaven or hell after death, then Jesus being resurected is no big woop, ...No, your imortal soul doctrine is nothing more than a greek philosophical mumbo-jumbo, knock yourself out !

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If we have an immortal soul that goes to heaven or hell after death, then Jesus being resurrected is no big woop, ...No, your immortal soul doctrine is nothing more than a greek philosophical mumbo-jumbo, knock yourself out !

Especially when the Jews mixed with the Greeks they started to adopt their philosophies and theories as Scripture.
Scripture is clear that the soul is Not immortal - Ezekiel 18:4; Ezekiel 18:20 - and the soul can be destroyed - Acts of the Apostles 3:23
Mortal Adam had No pre-human existence. Adam went from non-life, to life, and ' returned ' to non-life, or back to the dust of the ground - Genesis 3:19; Genesis 2:7
Adam could only have everlasting life on earth as long as Adam did Not break God's Law.
Adam forfeited his mortal life when he broke God's Law. There was No post-mortem penalty for Adam and there is none for anyone else.
However, from Abel, the Bible does teach resurrection for the sleeping dead - Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13 ; John 11:11-14
Some resurrected to heaven who have a first or earlier resurrection - Revelation 20:6
Whereas the majority of mankind will have a healthy physical resurrection back to life on earth starting with Jesus' 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth - Psalms 72:8
The exception, includes Adam and Eve, are those unrepentant ones of Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6 who are destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7

 

[NathanShepard8888]

All good points! But from a strictly "Abrahamic" viewpoint "hell" is "Sheol" (Hebrew) or hades (Greek)

The Hebrew Scriptures do not portray Sheol as anything but mankind's common grave. There is no conscious existence in this place. "The dead know nothing" (Eccl 9:5, 10) Belief in an immortal soul that lives on after death is borrowed from pagan religious belief and a desire in man to go on living....somewhere. But in the Bible death is death and return to the ground, just as God told Adam. God gave him breath and he became a living soul...God took his breath away and he died.(Gen 2:7; 3:19) The soul is not immortal. (Ezekiel 18:4)

All prospects for future life in the OT were by means of a resurrection back to life on earth in the flesh. Jesus himself demonstrated a few himself. When he brought his friend Lazarus back to life, he told his disciples that he was just "sleeping" (John 11:11-14)

There is no torment after death for all the reason you stated.

There is hell fire.
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels". Matthew 25.41

 

[Smart_Guy]

I feel as though my question has not be really answered.

In Islam it is believed that our bodies are physically reincarnated. It is believed that in hell we come just like we are now, with fully functional senses. Bodies receive torture, cuts and burns, and once they eat up the body, it returns back intact to its original form to get more. Imagine yourself in this life burning or cutting yourself, the exact feeling would be like that then.

In the resurrection day, God will reconstruct our bodies to the its best form no matter what happened to it when we died.

Scary, isn't it?

Oh, hell in Islamic views is not necessarily eternal.

 

[kerndog]

There is hell fire.
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels". Matthew 25.41

Fire is symbolic in those verses, what does fire do when you throw somthing into it ?think about it, yea, thats it , it is DESTROYED FOREVER !