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What is a female??

Kfox

Well-Known Member
With all the transgender threads on the forum, can we clear up what a female is? What makes someone a female?

To me a female in general is a person that can bear offspring, has ovaries, has periods, experiences menopause, has a vagina, etc etc.

What is a female in your words or by a definition of your choice?
I don't think what is, or is not a female is the problem because female is a biological term. What is or is not a woman is the problem, because woman refers to gender and gender has been redefined to mean something outside of biology.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I don't think what is, or is not a female is the problem because female is a biological term. What is or is not a woman is the problem, because woman refers to gender and gender has been redefined to mean something outside of biology.
Only because we still cannot figure out this simple thing:

  • "mind" is phenomenon created by the the physical body (including most importantly the brain),
  • your physical body, including the brain (and its offspring the mind) is WHAT you are,
  • but your mind alone is WHO you are.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Only because we still cannot figure out this simple thing:

  • "mind" is phenomenon created by the the physical body (including most importantly the brain),
  • your physical body, including the brain (and its offspring the mind) is WHAT you are,
  • but your mind alone is WHO you are.
I don't agree that your mind is who you are, because your mind can be wrong. Mind altering drugs can have you believing things completely void of reality. If the mind can be wrong about reality, it can be wrong about you.
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I don't agree that your mind is who you are, because your mind can be wrong. Mind altering drugs can have you believing things completely void of reality. If the mind can be wrong about reality, it can be wrong about you.
Okay, then what do you think it is that makes you who you are?

Be careful to consider what might happen if you lost one of those qualifying things. Like, "I'm a bipedal creature," until you lose a leg to cancer, and then suddenly you're not.

Over to you -- make your case.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Okay, then what do you think it is that makes you who you are?

Be careful to consider what might happen if you lost one of those qualifying things. Like, "I'm a bipedal creature," until you lose a leg to cancer, and then suddenly you're not.

Over to you -- make your case.
I believe we are a combination of the physical AND the mental.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I believe we are a combination of the physical AND the mental.
Yes, I understand what "believe" means. Do you have anything factual that supports your belief? Or is just believing quite enough for you (like some people believe in fairies)?

And then, how do you separate the "mental" from the "physical?" If the physical goes away (like dies), where does the "mental" go?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I don't agree that your mind is who you are, because your mind can be wrong. Mind altering drugs can have you believing things completely void of reality. If the mind can be wrong about reality, it can be wrong about you.
Yep. Drugs, alcohol, depression, abuse, etc etc all can/do alter the mind and who one is.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Yes, I understand what "believe" means. Do you have anything factual that supports your belief? Or is just believing quite enough for you (like some people believe in fairies)?
So if I give you mind altering drugs that convince you that you are a cow, then I use this opportunity to put a bullet in the back of your head, because after all; it is perfectly legal to kill cows, would you consider this murder? Or do you recognize; just because you believe you are something does not make it so.
And then, how do you separate the "mental" from the "physical?" If the physical goes away (like dies), where does the "mental" go?
The mind is what we call the thinking part of the brain. When the brain (mind) dies, that is when you are considered dead.
 
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Kfox

Well-Known Member
Yep. Drugs, alcohol, depression, abuse, etc etc all can/do alter the mind and who one is.
So if you take drugs and become convinced you are a chicken, if I kill you while you believe you are a chicken, I will go up for murder because even though it is perfectly legal to kill chickens, everybody knows just because you believe you are does not make it so; you are still human. A delusional human, but human non the less.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
So if you take drugs and become convinced you are a chicken, if I kill you while you believe you are a chicken, I will go up for murder because even though it is perfectly legal to kill chickens, everybody knows just because you believe you are does not make it so; you are still human. A delusional human, but human non the less.

Well, I assume that you are in fact delusional as to that you are a cis gendered male. Now I need you to prove that that is not the case.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I don't agree that your mind is who you are, because your mind can be wrong. Mind altering drugs can have you believing things completely void of reality. If the mind can be wrong about reality, it can be wrong about you.

So you are not who you are. You are abnormal, delusional and so on, because you are on drugs, In fact that explains all of your posts. You are wrong about reality, because you are on drugs.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
So if I give you mind altering drugs that convince you that you are a cow, then I use this opportunity to put a bullet in the back of your head, because after all; it is perfectly legal to kill cows, would you consider this murder? Or do you recognize; just because you believe you are something does not make it so.
A specious argument. Some fungi do that to insects and animals -- alter their minds to turn them to the fungus's purpose. The insect or animal is what it is, but has been hijacked. Thus, you would still be a murderer, since you attempted to alter my perceptions for your purposes.
The mind is what we call the thinking part of the brain. When the brain (mind) dies, that is when you are considered dead.
And here you contradict yourself: if you mind is dead (no longer thinking) then you are dead, as you say. But you insist that if your mind (thinks it) is a woman, you are not.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
A favourite pastime of the very people who harp on about "freedom:" telling others where they belong and don't.

I think it’s obvious
so a biological man has and unfair advantage competing against women,women have come a long way to get there rights and now some men want to invade their spaces just because they identify as a women,ridiculous really.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I think it’s obvious
so a biological man has and unfair advantage competing against women,women have come a long way to get there rights and now some men want to invade their spaces just because they identify as a women,ridiculous really.
I did not suggest otherwise.

Sometimes, you know, problems can be very complex, intractable, difficult to resolve -- or even impossible to resolve to everyone's satisfaction. But if we truly care about people, other than just ourselves or those close to us, then I think we should continue to try and look for what we can do.

You know, there was a time, not so long ago (and during my lifetime) when there little to know accommodation for people with physical difficulties -- for example being confined to a wheel chair. Just crossing the street could be a nightmare, because curbs weren't dipped at the crosswalks, let alone trying to cope with the endless stairs our modern cities are filled with. Getting on buses and trains? Hah, wishful thinking! People with that sort of disability mostly just stayed home.

Well, we're spending a lot of money these days trying to rectify that. Where I live, in Toronto, our subway system has been spending literally hundreds of millions a year making getting to and from train platforms accessible. All of our buses and streetcars have been replaced with accessible ones, at huge cost.

I don't know what the solution is for trans people wanting to play sports with the gender with which they identify -- and maybe in the end there really isn't one -- but just arbitrarily telling people to "stay where you belong" strikes me as one of the less considerate attempts.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
The insect or animal is what it is, but has been hijacked. Thus, you would still be a murderer, since you attempted to alter my perceptions for your purposes.
So it's murder only because I attempted to alter your perceptions? How about if you altered your perceptions? Would that make killing you okay in your view?
And here you contradict yourself: if you mind is dead (no longer thinking) then you are dead, as you say. But you insist that if your mind (thinks it) is a woman, you are not.
Actually it's called "brain dead" not mind dead because it is the complete brain that is shut down; not just the thinking part.
 
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