What is a "Jihad Ideology"?

[firedragon]

Which group?
I study terrorism...and yes, I know how that sounds. My wife has commented on it many times...

The original topic was a group called the LTTE. But then you see, people have to make Islam the center of attraction by hook or crook, so this "Jihad Ideology" was brought in.

I am just curious to hear from people where they get this "Jihad Ideology" and what it is. So far I have not seen a single objective response.

Since you study terrorism, could you provide some insight?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I am just curious to hear from people where they get this "Jihad Ideology" and what it is. So far I have not seen a single objective response.

I gave you one and you didn't like it.

 

[firedragon]

I gave you one and you didn't like it.

No one has to "Like it". And you didnt give anything to do with a so called "Jihad Ideology" mate. And none of what you said are objective. All based onn hearsay, nothing based on reality, but completely invalid 10th party sources preached by those who have no idea of anything on the ground, and thats what you lie and love, and thats what I heard.

Cheers.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

The original topic was a group called the LTTE. But then you see, people have to make Islam the center of attraction by hook or crook, so this "Jihad Ideology" was brought in.

I am just curious to hear from people where they get this "Jihad Ideology" and what it is. So far I have not seen a single objective response.

Since you study terrorism, could you provide some insight?

I can try, but I think you'll find its more a 'popular' term than a technically accurate one.
I doubt I'll find anything suggesting jihad should be conflated with any aggressive terrorist ideology.

But give me 24 hours, I'll trawl through some texts I have, see what I find on it...if anything.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No one has to "Like it". And you didnt give anything to do with a so called "Jihad Ideology" mate.

I answered your question.
You asked where people (in western, non-islamic culture, I presume) get the word from and is being meant by it.

I answered that question.

I'll gladly repeat it: The word "jihad" was introduced to a western audience through propaganda from radical islamic militia's / terrorists / rebels / whatever you wish to call it. It became synonymous with violent islamic holy war. Crusade like.
When talking about "jihad ideology", they refer to the ideology of violent radical islam as professed by the many islamic terrorist groups like al-qaida, isis, boko-haram etc.

That is where the word comes from in western culture and what is generally meant by it.

You simply rejected that, apparantly because the words are not being understood like you would like them to be or what they mean to you.

Which is weird, considering that your question wasn't about what the word REALLY means in islamic theology, or what YOUR brand of islam understands by it in THEIR version of islamic theology, ... No.
Instead, you asked what people in general mean by it.

And none of what you said are objective

There's nothing "opinion" or otherwise subjective about what I said.

The word was introduced to the west by violent radical islamic propaganda calling for "jihad" or "holy war".
That's where it comes from and that is what it refers to when used.

All based onn hearsay, nothing based on reality, but completely invalid 10th party sources preached by those who have no idea of anything on the ground, and thats what you lie and love, and thats what I heard.

None of this matters to what the word means in the general public in english nore where it comes.

Those islamic militia's could all be phony islamophobes just posing as muslims and misusing islamic terminology, as a conspiracy to make islam look bad and stir up islamophobia.

Then still the word would mean what it means and originate through their propaganda entering the culture.

Words are just labels that refer to objects or ideas. They are dynamic things where meaning can shift over time for all kinds of reasons - especially when being imported from a foreign language.

 

[firedragon]

I answered your question.
You asked where people (in western, non-islamic culture, I presume) get the word from and is being meant by it.

I answered that question.

I'll gladly repeat it: The word "jihad" was introduced to a western audience through propaganda from radical islamic militia's / terrorists / rebels / whatever you wish to call it. It became synonymous with violent islamic holy war. Crusade like.
When talking about "jihad ideology", they refer to the ideology of violent radical islam as professed by the many islamic terrorist groups like al-qaida, isis, boko-haram etc.

That is where the word comes from in western culture and what is generally meant by it.

You simply rejected that, apparantly because the words are not being understood like you would like them to be or what they mean to you.

Which is weird, considering that your question wasn't about what the word REALLY means in islamic theology, or what YOUR brand of islam understands by it in THEIR version of islamic theology, ... No.
Instead, you asked what people in general mean by it.




There's nothing "opinion" or otherwise subjective about what I said.

The word was introduced to the west by violent radical islamic propaganda calling for "jihad" or "holy war".
That's where it comes from and that is what it refers to when used.




None of this matters to what the word means in the general public in english nore where it comes.

Those islamic militia's could all be phony islamophobes just posing as muslims and misusing islamic terminology, as a conspiracy to make islam look bad and stir up islamophobia.

Then still the word would mean what it means and originate through their propaganda entering the culture.

Words are just labels that refer to objects or ideas. They are dynamic things where meaning can shift over time for all kinds of reasons - especially when being imported from a foreign language.

Yes you answered it.

 

[danieldemol]

Found this from the BBC:
What is jihadism?

‘A BBC investigation has found that more than 5,000 people around the world died during November as a result of violence caused by al-Qaeda, its offshoots and groups which subscribe to a similar ideology, commonly referred to as "jihadism".’

‘...The term "jihadist" has been used by Western academics since the 1990s, and more widely since the 11 September 2001 attacks, as a way to distinguish between violent and non-violent Sunni Islamists...’

‘...Islamists aim to reorder government and society in accordance with Islamic law, or Sharia.

Jihadists see violent struggle as necessary to eradicate obstacles to restoring God's rule on Earth and defending the Muslim community, or umma, against infidels and apostates. If the umma is threatened by an aggressor, they hold that jihad is not just a collective obligation (fard kifaya), but an individual duty (fard ayn) that must be fulfilled by every able Muslim, just like ritual prayer and fasting during Ramadan...’

So to summarise in my own words, “jihad ideology” is in the west interchangeable with the term “jihadism”. Followers of jihadism or jihadists see violent struggle as necessary to restore theocracy to the temporal world.

 

[danieldemol]

You might find this one written from a Muslim perspective more interesting;

‘There is a distinct difference between the ideology of Salafi-jihadism and the Islam practiced by the majority of the world’s Muslims. The Salafi-jihadi ideology is built upon Islamic religious principles, which it distorts to produce a single-minded focus on violent jihad.’

https://institute.global/sites/default/files/inline-files/IGC_Inside Jihadi Mind_18.08.17.pdf

 

[firedragon]

You might find this one written from a Muslim perspective more interesting;

‘There is a distinct difference between the ideology of Salafi-jihadism and the Islam practiced by the majority of the world’s Muslims. The Salafi-jihadi ideology is built upon Islamic religious principles, which it distorts to produce a single-minded focus on violent jihad.’

https://institute.global/sites/default/files/inline-files/IGC_Inside Jihadi Mind_18.08.17.pdf

Its not about "Jihad ideology". Since this word Jihad is a foreign word for you it sounds like a name for you. Maybe. But even the document you shared is not about a "Jihad Ideology". Jihadi and Jihad are very different things, and as you see in the document you shared it is trying to define a so-called "Salafi-Jihadi" ideology, not a "Jihad Ideology".

I am awaiting a "Jihad Ideology". Although, I appreciate your response which is definitely more objective than any comment received in this thread.

 

[danieldemol]

Its not about "Jihad ideology". Since this word Jihad is a foreign word for you it sounds like a name for you. Maybe. But even the document you shared is not about a "Jihad Ideology". Jihadi and Jihad are very different things, and as you see in the document you shared it is trying to define a so-called "Salafi-Jihadi" ideology, not a "Jihad Ideology".

I am awaiting a "Jihad Ideology". Although, I appreciate your response which is definitely more objective than any comment received in this thread.

Ok, so if I'm understanding you, you are saying that some ignorant people are using the term "jihad ideology" when referring to a "Jihadi Ideology".

If that is so it strikes me as more of a quibble than a major issue. They are most probably just not having the phrase autocorrected by their spell checkers because the individual words are spelt correctly, even if they are incorrect as a phrase.

 

[firedragon]

Ok, so if I'm understanding you, you are saying that some ignorant people are using the term "jihad ideology" when referring to a "Jihadi Ideology".

If that is so it strikes me as more of a quibble than a major issue. They are most probably just not having the phrase autocorrected by their spell checkers because the individual words are spelt correctly, even if they are incorrect as a phrase.

Cheers.

 

[England my lionheart]

Today I saw a video being shared about a terrorist group in Asia, not a religious group, a terrorist group with no religious agenda as such.

The person who shared it brought in "Jihad Ideology" in the post for whatever reason or motivation of his personal nature. My question, what is this so-called "Jihad Ideology"?

Imo this manifested itself from Hassan al Banna and Sayyid Qutb,Al Banna the founder of the Muslim brotherhood and Qutb who wrote 'in the shade of the Quran' and 'Milestones' which is a very interesting book,he quotes Mawdudi but then twists the meaning of jihad,it is is more political than theological,Hamas is a product of this,again imo.

Hassan Al Banna

Allah is our objective; the Prophet is our leader; the Quran is our law; Jihad is our way; dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope." So goes the motto of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Sayyid Qutb

"If freedom of man on earth" is to be achieved, if the sovereignty of God is to triumph over the sovereignty of Man, then not only preaching but also violent jihad is required."

Al Banna was a nationalist and really so was Qutb,they re worked jihad and others took it further imo.

 

[firedragon]

Imo this manifested itself from Hassan al Banna and Sayyid Qutb,Al Banna the founder of the Muslim brotherhood and Qutb who wrote 'in the shade of the Quran' and 'Milestones' which is a very interesting book,he quotes Mawdudi but then twists the meaning of jihad,it is is more political than theological,Hamas is a product of this,again imo.

Hassan Al Banna

Allah is our objective; the Prophet is our leader; the Quran is our law; Jihad is our way; dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope." So goes the motto of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Sayyid Qutb

"If freedom of man on earth" is to be achieved, if the sovereignty of God is to triumph over the sovereignty of Man, then not only preaching but also violent jihad is required."

Al Banna was a nationalist and really so was Qutb,they re worked jihad and others took it further imo.

Good. I respect Dr. Manne a lot. But when you leave words untranslated, you don't get the meaning of a sentence.

Try replacing the word Jihad with Trying/struggling.

Anyway, and by the way, the motto of the Muslim Brotherhood is "Al Islam Al Hallu". The "Motto" you quoted is not their Motto, Its a false concoction by others who write about these guys. Do you understand? It is used by others, not the Muslim Brotherhood. So its basically false.

Also, the so called "Sayyid Qutb" quote you gave as a sentence is part of a write up by professor Manne, yet you should not leave the word Jihad untranslated because in his own writings prof also writes "Violent struggle for the faith is an act of highest compassion." in which the word jihad has been translated as 'struggle".

Hope you see what I mean.

Peace.

 

[England my lionheart]

Good. I respect Dr. Manne a lot. But when you leave words untranslated, you don't get the meaning of a sentence.

Try replacing the word Jihad with Trying/struggling.

Anyway, and by the way, the motto of the Muslim Brotherhood is "Al Islam Al Hallu". The "Motto" you quoted is not their Motto, Its a false concoction by others who write about these guys. Do you understand? It is used by others, not the Muslim Brotherhood. So its basically false.

Also, the so called "Sayyid Qutb" quote you gave as a sentence is part of a write up by professor Manne, yet you should not leave the word Jihad untranslated because in his own writings prof also writes "Violent struggle for the faith is an act of highest compassion." in which the word jihad has been translated as 'struggle".

Hope you see what I mean.

Peace.

Are you saying Hamas got it wrong?:

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

That's from the original charter of Hamas,Qutb wrote milestones in similar fashion,a kind of mein campf,that of course in jmo.

 

[ManSinha]

I found this:

"Jihad is of three types

1. The Jihad against oneself – which in Islamic idiom is called the greatest Jihad (Jihad Akbar) - To purify oneself.
2. The Jihad that is waged against Satan and Satanic teachings and designs, and is called the great Jihad (Jihad Kabeer) - Propagate the religion.
3. The Jihad that is waged against the enemy of freedom of conscience; this is called the lesser Jihad (Jihad Asghar) - Holy War

The Holy Prophet Muhammad, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. Has described the striving against self as Jihad Akbar. It is mentioned in the sayings of the Holy Prophet Muhammad, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, when returning from an expedition (Tabuk), he said:

“We are returning from the Jihad Asghar (fighting) to Jihad Akbar (struggle against self)”. (Kashaf)
He also said:

“The Mujahid (one who does Jihad) who is exalted above other Mujahids is the one who strives against his own self”.
Jihad Akbar

The greatest Jihad is the Jihad Akbar (purifying oneself). This is because one’s internal struggle to lead a pure good life is very difficult. God always guides us to good, but our natural tendencies are inclined to evil. The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 12, verse 54, describes this as Nafse Ammarah, ‘the self that inclines to evil’. Our natural state, as long as we are not guided by reason and understanding, is to follow our natural bent of eating, drinking, sleeping, waking, anger and provocation, like the animals. Once a person is guided by reason and understanding and brings their natural state under control and regulates it in an appropriate manner, then they start to develop their moral state to the second stage of development called Nafse Lawwama, ‘the reproving self’ (75:3) and then to the final moral state of Nafse Mutmainnah, ‘the soul at rest’ (89:28). Thus to purify one’s self is a constant internal struggle which one must strive to practise in order to achieve paradise.

Jihad Kabeer

The second type of Jihad is Jihad Kabeer (propagating the religion). This is because to go out and spread the message of God and to try to improve the society that one lives in, means that first you have to overcome your inhibition and be ready to face abuse, humiliation and even persecution. To propagate the religion means that you have to lead by example and live by what the religion teaches. You cannot say to someone that this is what my religion teaches me, but I personally do not follow it, and then expect that person to take you seriously. It is for this reason that to spread the message of God through word and personal example, is the second hardest type of struggle that one must strive to do.

Jihad Asghar

The third type of Jihad is Jihad Asghar (Holy War). This is placed third, because no war can be Holy! But, Allah recognises that in certain circumstances, there is a need to defend yourself for the sake of your faith – This is the Jihad Asghar. A trueJihadshould only be raised when these two conditions are there a) It is in defence b) The aggressors are trying to prevent you from practising your faith. Because ultimately our purpose in life is to worship God, if someone prevents you from worshiping God, then you should reason with them. If that fails, then Islam teaches us that we should move away and worship in a different place. But if they follow us and still prevent us from worshipping God, then we are permitted to fight them as a means for our freedom of belief and worship.

According to the teachings of Islam, if a person fights in a true Jihad and dies, he will die as a martyr and will go to paradise. When fighting a true Jihad therefore, a Muslim is not scared of dying, instead he welcomes it as a means to attain paradise. An army that does not fear death, becomes a very strong army! It is for this reason that the Muslim Leaders desire to call any war aJihad, knowing the effect it has on their army. In this last Century, there have been many Jihadscalled by the Muslim leaders, sometime against Muslims themselves i.e. Iran v Iraq war, where both sides called a Jihad!

The question that is often raised then is – when is a war, a Jihad, according to the teachings of Islam? The most complete definition of Jihad isfound in Chapter 22, verse 40-41 of the Holy Qur’an:

“Permission to take up arms is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged and Allah, indeed, has power to help them – Those who have been driven out from their homes unjustly, only because they said, ‘Our Lord is Allah.”

 

[firedragon]

Are you saying Hamas got it wrong?:

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

That's from the original charter of Hamas,Qutb wrote milestones in similar fashion,a kind of mein campf,that of course in jmo.

I am saying that you quoted a bogus motto and quoted is as a motto and I am correcting you. Check your sources, they are bogus. But of course, very very few people accept correction because they just want to be scholars and never corrected. So it's a usual thing to see the strawman or some kind of ad hominem as a response in that case. Have a great day brother. Cheers.

 

[firedragon]

I found this:

"Jihad is of three types

1. The Jihad against oneself – which in Islamic idiom is called the greatest Jihad (Jihad Akbar) - To purify oneself.
2. The Jihad that is waged against Satan and Satanic teachings and designs, and is called the great Jihad (Jihad Kabeer) - Propagate the religion.
3. The Jihad that is waged against the enemy of freedom of conscience; this is called the lesser Jihad (Jihad Asghar) - Holy War

The Holy Prophet Muhammad, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. Has described the striving against self as Jihad Akbar. It is mentioned in the sayings of the Holy Prophet Muhammad, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, when returning from an expedition (Tabuk), he said:

“We are returning from the Jihad Asghar (fighting) to Jihad Akbar (struggle against self)”. (Kashaf)
He also said:

“The Mujahid (one who does Jihad) who is exalted above other Mujahids is the one who strives against his own self”.
Jihad Akbar

The greatest Jihad is the Jihad Akbar (purifying oneself). This is because one’s internal struggle to lead a pure good life is very difficult. God always guides us to good, but our natural tendencies are inclined to evil. The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 12, verse 54, describes this as Nafse Ammarah, ‘the self that inclines to evil’. Our natural state, as long as we are not guided by reason and understanding, is to follow our natural bent of eating, drinking, sleeping, waking, anger and provocation, like the animals. Once a person is guided by reason and understanding and brings their natural state under control and regulates it in an appropriate manner, then they start to develop their moral state to the second stage of development called Nafse Lawwama, ‘the reproving self’ (75:3) and then to the final moral state of Nafse Mutmainnah, ‘the soul at rest’ (89:28). Thus to purify one’s self is a constant internal struggle which one must strive to practise in order to achieve paradise.

Jihad Kabeer

The second type of Jihad is Jihad Kabeer (propagating the religion). This is because to go out and spread the message of God and to try to improve the society that one lives in, means that first you have to overcome your inhibition and be ready to face abuse, humiliation and even persecution. To propagate the religion means that you have to lead by example and live by what the religion teaches. You cannot say to someone that this is what my religion teaches me, but I personally do not follow it, and then expect that person to take you seriously. It is for this reason that to spread the message of God through word and personal example, is the second hardest type of struggle that one must strive to do.

Jihad Asghar

The third type of Jihad is Jihad Asghar (Holy War). This is placed third, because no war can be Holy! But, Allah recognises that in certain circumstances, there is a need to defend yourself for the sake of your faith – This is the Jihad Asghar. A trueJihadshould only be raised when these two conditions are there a) It is in defence b) The aggressors are trying to prevent you from practising your faith. Because ultimately our purpose in life is to worship God, if someone prevents you from worshiping God, then you should reason with them. If that fails, then Islam teaches us that we should move away and worship in a different place. But if they follow us and still prevent us from worshipping God, then we are permitted to fight them as a means for our freedom of belief and worship.

According to the teachings of Islam, if a person fights in a true Jihad and dies, he will die as a martyr and will go to paradise. When fighting a true Jihad therefore, a Muslim is not scared of dying, instead he welcomes it as a means to attain paradise. An army that does not fear death, becomes a very strong army! It is for this reason that the Muslim Leaders desire to call any war aJihad, knowing the effect it has on their army. In this last Century, there have been many Jihadscalled by the Muslim leaders, sometime against Muslims themselves i.e. Iran v Iraq war, where both sides called a Jihad!

The question that is often raised then is – when is a war, a Jihad, according to the teachings of Islam? The most complete definition of Jihad isfound in Chapter 22, verse 40-41 of the Holy Qur’an:

“Permission to take up arms is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged and Allah, indeed, has power to help them – Those who have been driven out from their homes unjustly, only because they said, ‘Our Lord is Allah.”

Brother. The word Jahada in arabic just means "Try". Based on this word Muslims developed various things like Jihad Asghar, Jihad Akbar etc. Yet in the Quran it is simply used like the word try or "work towards".

Anyway, there is nothing called "Jihad Ideology" that I have ever heard from a single Muslim or read in a single manifesto or original something written by one of these movements everyone keeps quoting. Nowhere. But people keep repeating this so I just wished to know where they are getting this from.

So far it seems that no one knows what they are talking about. Everyone has some kind of idea gathered from TV and other media, and they have heard the word Jihad a million times so they are trying their best to associate both to justify their sentence "Jihad Ideology". No one seems to know head or tail of anything they speak of but are quickly fishing some information with a quick google search and are presenting their quick finds pretending that its their scholarly research.

I am responding to your post because you said you found this. You did not claim some scholarly mastership or Godhead on the subject.

There is nothing called a Jihad Ideology. If people wish to make this utter simple word "Jihad" into a holy war, it is subjective to the place and location of the person using it. Muslims militant groups use it as a "fight or a struggle". When the so called Mujahiddeen (Jihadists) with their Jihadi aim fought the russians in the Afghan occupation that was not called some kind of ideology. This is how they motivate themselves. I am a Jihadi, a fighter, a passionate striver for my cause, and the definition of it would depend on the cause. So in this case their cause was to fight against an occupier, oh and they were worshiped by all of these people who speak like they are scholars with the same TV knowledge. I remember seeing this nice guy type man called Samuel Green in a debate he says that salvation in islam has three methods, one is Jihad or rather matyrdom, which means dying in a Jihad. One of three methods? Really? This nice-guy-type person is lying. Well, he cant be mistaken because he is a so called "scholar of religion" not a layman fishing off TV so he used that as a shock effect to tingle the hate senses in people in order to have that positive effect in what ever he says after that. And the debate was about salvation, not about Jihad or war or anything of the sort. This is the sort of gutter game people play, and these so called pseudo scholars are actually fishing off that kind of lie. Its a lie. There is no source stating "3 methods of salvation". He created that lie very tactfully. If that is the kind of information these people are seeking, its pathetic.

Anyway, thanks for the contribution. I think I have seen the sources of these peoples information. Peace.

 

[Shia Islam]

Today I saw a video being shared about a terrorist group in Asia, not a religious group, a terrorist group with no religious agenda as such.

The person who shared it brought in "Jihad Ideology" in the post for whatever reason or motivation of his personal nature. My question, what is this so-called "Jihad Ideology"?

The etymology of Jihad comes from the word Juhd جهد, Which means to pay effort.

When Islam started, all the powers of that time declared war against it.

After being persecuted for long, God gave permission to the Muslims to face force with force.

In Shia Islam, only the prophet and his appointed successors (prophet-like people appointed by God called the imams) have the right to lead such wars.

In Shia view, Islam was hijacked after the death of the prophet by the hypocrites.

It’s a long story.

May this be of benefit.

 

[firedragon]

The etymology of Jihad comes from the word Juhd جهد, Which means to pay effort.

When Islam started, all the powers of that time declared war against it.

After being persecuted for long, God gave permission to the Muslims to face force with force.

In Shia Islam, only the prophet and his appointed successors (prophet-like people appointed by God called the imams) have the right to lead such wars.

In Shia view, Islam was hijacked after the death of the prophet by the hypocrites.

It’s a long story.

May this be of benefit.

True.

And we enjoined man regarding his parents. His mother bore him with hardship upon hardship, and his weaning takes two years. You shall give thanks to me, and to your parents. To me is the final destiny. If they (Jihad) try to make you set up any partners besides me, then do not obey them. But continue to treat them amicably in this world. You shall follow only the path of those who have sought Me. Ultimately, you all return to me, then I will inform you of everything you have done. – Quran 31:14-15

Jihad means to strive or go forward with perseverance. If it means Holy war, the above verse will look silly to have parents waging holy war against their children.



And we will test you for we know those who (Jihad) strive among you and those who are patient. And we will bring out your qualities. – Quran 47:31



Try replacing the word Strive with Holy war and understand to yourself how insane it will sound.



Jihad or Jahada means to try/strive and no verse in the Quran portrays it as a Holy war. But it is the world that has changed the word to mean something it was not originally meant to be. There are many words that has changed meaning overtime but when you read a book written 1400 years ago you must render it by the original meaning. Quran being the criterion, war is not an Islamic personality and Jihad certainly does not mean Holy War.

 

[VoidoftheSun]

Miriam Webster says its a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty and may also be other things, but the first definition is holy war. That perfectly explains to me why jihadist militias use this term and also why westerners think of it as synonymous with crusade.
Definition of JIHAD

That is far from accurate.

Jihad means "Struggle"
al-Harb al-Muqaddasa means "Holy War"

Dealing with people who have such erroneous misinterpretations are a form of Jihad.