What Is A Social Justice Warrior?

[Kirran]

@omega2xx, I have explicitly changed my settings a year or more ago so as not to see signatures. Could you please not undermine that by just putting it in the main body of your posts?

 

[omega2xx]

@omega2xx, I have explicitly changed my settings a year or more ago so as not to see signatures. Could you please not undermine that by just putting it in the main body of your posts?

I thought I was.

 

[Revoltingest]

@omega2xx, I have explicitly changed my settings a year or more ago so as not to see signatures.

I had no idea that was a thing!

 

[Kilgore Trout]

By making clear the huge numbers of people changing their opinions on things. That's not just inertia and population replacement, that's ongoing changing of views. This is the case in the West, but in particular in countries in Latin America and East Asia in particular.

Advances in LGBT+ rights in Nepal and Taiwan, for example, have been pretty amazing. Not to mention most of Latin America. Really, it's only in the 21st Century that LGBT+ rights have entered the mainstream worldwide.

Ah, I was speaking about this country. I don't live anywhere else, so don't know enough about the social and cultural climate to have a well-informed and experienced opinion.

 

[Kirran]

Ah, I was speaking about this country. I don't live anywhere else, so don't know enough about the social and cultural climate to have a well-informed and experienced opinion.

I don't know which country you are in? Statistically speaking, the USA is most likely. These stats certainly apply there.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Concentration camps and the like are not a matter of choosing a "version of history", though.

I used to live on a little island off the coast of BC called Mayne. Before WW2 Mayne was a mostly Japanese community, but come the events surrounding the pearl harbour incident they were all rounded up, by the allies, and placed into internment camps, as we're Japanese people all over the USA and elsewhere. The conditions of these camps weren't exactly ideal, and a lot of them died.

The Japanese community on Mayne never came back, as even after the war no lands or properties were returned. There were no Japanese people on Mayne when I lived there.

Now imagine WW2 went the other way, and we were discussing a vastly exaggerated version of what I just described vs a vastly marginalized version of German wartime activities.

And never forget who writes the history.

 

[Stevicus]

Yeah, it's a fairly solid majority now. Just as same-sex marriage has, in the last few years, reached majority approval in the USA.

Honestly, I think it's very obvious that much of the acceptance of same-sex relationships, the improvements in respect for women, the improvements in respect for people of minority ethnic backgrounds etc, has come in the last 15-20 years.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but it's not as if the 70s and 80s were some kind of unenlightened "dark ages." I can't speak to the polls regarding majority approval, but all of the things you mention were widely accepted by that time.

Perhaps it has gotten even better in the past 15-20 years. But even that's difficult to judge. Prior to the internet, some things didn't get discussed in polite company, but now, it's become a general free-for-all.

But I still don't think we should ignore the economic aspects. If the economy goes bad, then people start to get angrier and more desperate, which makes it easier for politicians to start scapegoating those who might have been more accepted when times were better.

 

[LuisDantas]

I used to live on a little island off the coast of BC called Mayne. Before WW2 Mayne was a mostly Japanese community, but come the events surrounding the pearl harbour incident they were all rounded up, by the allies, and placed into internment camps, as we're Japanese people all over the USA and elsewhere. The conditions of these camps weren't exactly ideal, and a lot of them died.

The Japanese community on Mayne never came back, as even after the war no lands or properties were returned. There were no Japanese people on Mayne when I lived there.

Now imagine WW2 went the other way, and we were discussing a vastly exaggerated version of what I just described vs a vastly marginalized version of German wartime activities.

And never forget who writes the history.

I truly have little idea of what the point you meant to say would be.

 

[Stevicus]

As has the radicalization that IMO arose from the perception that such shifts in acceptance can't be overturned.

I don't think it is fair to say that older people "skew" the results of such polls, yet it is undeniable that much of the consolidation of the acceptance of social shifts comes from the actual death of older people who will never fully accept those.

Perhaps "skew" wasn't the right word, although my point was that a lot of the acceptance and tolerance appeared generational. There were those who were already set in their ways and couldn't be changed. However, those who were still open-minded enough to become more accepting and tolerant, even if they may have been raised with less tolerant views. They were largely won over during the 50s and 60s, and many of them are still alive and kicking and hold the same views.

Those who were born after that time became accustomed to the general ideas of acceptance and tolerance early in life, so there were few, if any, who had to be "converted" from the older beliefs.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

I truly have little idea of what the point you meant to say would be.

The point being, albeit not directly, the comparison between 'nazi' and 'sjw' leaves them pretty much equal, in the sense they are both purely pejorative terms.

 

[Mister_T]

What is it about "it may not have been you,' that you don't understand?

There is no "may" I simply did not say it. What I don't understand is why you chose to quote me in the first place.

 

[Kirran]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but it's not as if the 70s and 80s were some kind of unenlightened "dark ages." I can't speak to the polls regarding majority approval, but all of the things you mention were widely accepted by that time.

Perhaps it has gotten even better in the past 15-20 years. But even that's difficult to judge. Prior to the internet, some things didn't get discussed in polite company, but now, it's become a general free-for-all.

But I still don't think we should ignore the economic aspects. If the economy goes bad, then people start to get angrier and more desperate, which makes it easier for politicians to start scapegoating those who might have been more accepted when times were better.

I'm not saying it was a dark age either. But all evidence I have seen points to it as being worse than you're portraying it as. Of course your evidence is anecdotal, and that's fine as a reflection of your experience - different parts of the USA (?) are likely different.

I definitely don't think we should ignore the economic aspects. We've been doing so for too long.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

I'm not saying it was a dark age either. But all evidence I have seen points to it as being worse than you're portraying it as. Of course your evidence is anecdotal, and that's fine as a reflection of your experience - different parts of the USA (?) are likely different.

Your profile says you are 21. You have no idea kiddo

 

[Shad]

OK, fair enough, but I don't that their protesting to get one is out of bounds.

Protests that get out of hand do more damage to the cause of the protest than any good. People should consider not letting their emotions getting the better of them. However there is a problem with how some elements of law enforcement act. Allowing protestors and counter protestors to get into each others faces only escalates emotions which can result in violence. The shooting in Seattle for example could have been avoided.

 

[Stevicus]

I'm not saying it was a dark age either. But all evidence I have seen points to it as being worse than you're portraying it as. Of course your evidence is anecdotal, and that's fine as a reflection of your experience - different parts of the USA (?) are likely different.

Well, at least in terms of actual laws and policies, it really wasn't that much worse than now. Keep in mind that the Jim Crow laws were gone and all vestiges of "legal" segregation had been pretty much eliminated. Racial/political violence had been reduced immensely in comparison to the 50s and 60s (although general street crime was on the rise during the 70s and 80s).

The only striking difference between then and now was that during the late 70s/early 80s, "political correctness" had not really set in yet or became codified.

I definitely don't think we should ignore the economic aspects. We've been doing so for too long.

Well, that's the thing that people notice the most, as it hits closest to home. All the so-called "respect" engendered by political correctness doesn't mean diddly if people are still living in squalor and struggling day after day. By the same token, all the disrespect, hatred, and bigotry would be quite meaningless if there was economic equality. Consider how much loud talk there might be between blacks and Hispanics, and yet, it's not a big deal since both groups are more or less viewed as being in the same boat in terms of economic and political status.

 

[omega2xx]

There is no "may" I simply did not say it. What I don't understand is why you chose to quote me in the first place.

Quoting what other post and then commenting on it keeps the context of the discussion availab le for others.


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