You have my respect! You have your own way of how you choose to worship our Lord.
Blessings, AJ
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What is a soul/spirit?
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You have my respect! You have your own way of how you choose to worship our Lord.
Blessings, AJ
LyricalDutchess
Chi-Alpha Daughter
as you, i.
SOUL
SPIRIT
Well! If that is your understanding of what soul is, then I'll respect that.
Blessings, AJ
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
say it loud! I'm black and I'm proud!
Cosmos
Member
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What if the whole goal of true religion is to become in a sense extinct? As you are an atheist, I find it important to convey to you that the object of religion is to extinguish 'self' or the attachment to physical senses, which are perishable. Our sense of reality is directly related to our sense of self, which is dependent upon our sense-perception that is mediated through the brain and its faculties. By definition our conceptualizations are a limited perception of 'reality'/Reality. Modern science itself attests to the fact that our sense of reality is ever expanding as our frontiers progress into new paradigm shifts.
Adam was a soul or person. There was no supposed soul for Adam because Adam became a living soul or person as Gen 2v7 says.
According to what Jesus taught there will be the day that Jesus will intervene in mankind's affairs. In his 'glory' Jesus will deliver or save those described as sheep-like righteous ones. They remain on earth and can continue living on earth as living souls or persons right into Jesus peaceful 1000-year rule over earth with everlasting life in view.
see: Matt 16v27; 25v31,32,46; Proverbs 2v21,22; 10v30; Psalm 37vs11,29.
The reality of this existence would give you that notion, since without Christ,you would be as you believe, a point of non-existence after this one.
But since Christ, life begin.
Prior to Christ there was none!
Adam was indeed made a living fleshly soul; but lacked life.
A second type of Adam was needed in order to give the first a beginning at life.
Hence, life begin some 2,000 years ago, not to exclude all prior souls who lived and died before then.
You are within your own right to believe as you do, as that is a gift given to you to exercise at will.
But if you wanted something other than non-existence, you might want to look at Christ.
Again, that is your option.
Blessings, AJ
I don't think we can overlook our first physical human existence as if it were not important.
To say that life only began 2000 years ago with Christ is being short-sighted.
We can not have spirit-life with Christ unless we first have a physical life 1Cor.15v45,46,47 .
As we see scripture also says the first Adam WAS a living soul - it does not say he HAD a soul.
Until christians get that right they can not get the rest of scriptures right.
Further scripture says there is A SPIRIT in man of which traditional christians make little mention of being so taken up with a soul that does not exist.
To say that life only began 2000 years ago with Christ is being short-sighted.
We can not have spirit-life with Christ unless we first have a physical life 1Cor.15v45,46,47 .
As we see scripture also says the first Adam WAS a living soul - it does not say he HAD a soul.
Until christians get that right they can not get the rest of scriptures right.
Further scripture says there is A SPIRIT in man of which traditional christians make little mention of being so taken up with a soul that does not exist.
The point of the whole story and existence of Christ is life! prior to Christ there was no life.
Now, if you want to define life as an existence in the flesh, yes, for first came that which is natural and then that which is spiritual.
The first man Adam introduced life in the flesh as well as death of the flesh and spirit.
The second man Adam brought life in the spirit to a n already dead spirit.
Hence the center of the whole bible is Jesus.
He is from the beginning, is and shall always be, the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.
Ref: Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Jesus was the end of the first beginning in this wise: He ended the curse of spiritual death, the prison holding the lost souls and begin a new beginning under grace, a gift of life that is totally free.
Ref: Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Jesus' work is done, complete and then He rested on the 7th day.
The day of His work was the 6th day, Friday, which was taken out of time, and the following days slipped in to complete the week.
Ref: Job 3:3 Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived.
That man child's death is what saved the whole world and brought life to the world, that day shall not be remembered but taken out for ever.
Job 3:6 As for that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months.
Life, I mean spiritual life from the dead, begun at the resurrection of Jesus.
Proof that we were already dead?
Eze 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
Seek the lost, the driven and the sick and restore them (give life) yet, still require judgment with their actions accountable in the flesh.
Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Psa 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.
This is the day, when life begin, we will rejoice in it if.............we choose?
Blessings, AJ
Cosmos
Member
Now, I want to remind the Christians that to focus merely on the egoic sense of 'I' and 'self' is the illusory perception of eternal life, though soul has an individualistic reality, as a niche in a tapestry or as the stars in the heavens. Life is not isolated, but acts as an organism. Christ the first time asked us to die in Him so that we may live eternally. Christ the second time, we Baha'is believe, has returned to remind us:
This is to become "annihilated in God" through the empowering breezes of the Dayspring of Revelation (i.e. the Manifestation of God)!
This is to become "annihilated in God" through the empowering breezes of the Dayspring of Revelation (i.e. the Manifestation of God)!
My view: I was given life as "I", as you stated "individualistic reality", and as a result of that, the "I" became separated, or died in the process.
Why? Because the "I", ego, is in rebellion against God.
That is why, dying to "self" is giving up the will of rebellion and surrendering it all to God via the price paid by His Son.
In doing so, we are liberated from the curse of death, unto life as still an individual.
A bride ceases not being a bride because of the marriage, but lives on in union with the bridegroom.
We are married to God in Christ and shall live on after this life end to life for ever more.
It can not get any simpler than that.
We can however, add all sorts of requirements, bars to reach over, practices to practice, meals to eat, drinks to drink, how to pray and when to pray, and to whom we owe the glory to.
We all want to please God in one way or the other, one this way, another, another way.
What is key is to believe in God, live just and love thy neighbor.
If we can do that, we have absolutely nothing to worry about.
The only sacrifices we make is in helping someone.
Blessings, AJ
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
A soul/spirit is the objectively unsupported idea that there is some part of us that is separate from our physical existence. It cannot be scientifically measured, as there has never been anything observed which could be measured.
Just thought your ^above^ post bears repeating.
A dead soul [person] has no spirit or spark of life that survives or lives on.
'Soul' according to Genesis 2v7 is the person himself.
Adam became a living soul at creation.
At death Adam became a dead soul [person]
Adam did not become animated until God breathed the breath of life into Adam [Gen 2v7] Once Adam stopped breathing he was no longer animated and became a dead soul [person]. That breath from God energized Adam's cells inside of Adam.
No where does it say Adam came to possess a soul, or that Adam came to have a soul. Rather Adam was a soul. Sinning souls [persons] die. Ez 18vs4,20
What guided Adam's morals was a God-given conscience that was never gifted to the animal world. Since we are made in God's 'image' so to speak, then we can display God's main attributes or qualities such as justice, wisdom and love to various degrees. Depending how our conscience is trained influences our morals.
Since the dead have No emotions, [see Psalms 146v4; 115v17; 13v3; 6v5; Ecclesiastes 9v5,10 and John 11vs11-14] and the dead can not resurrect oneself or another, then we need Jesus to do that for us and he will.
-Acts 24v15.
ruhnafsoul
ruhnafsoul
Hmm.. people are throwing millions of opinions about soul.. spirit.. god.. man.. creation.. adam.. jesus.. bible.. torah.. whatever and etc.. from various believes, and a never ending stories.
And these never ending stories, opinions and believes that come out from us.. from our mind or heart.. where does it comes from ?.. does it come out just like that ? I don't think so.. I guess it comes from a Creator who created it.. a divine creation..
Creator of a grand pattern of each one's life story.
Creator of birth and death of our physical body
Creator of our heart feel and mind thinking.
We live in HIS created world, created thought.. in HIS observation. Our fate is in the hand of our Creator..
As for the soul.. our soul..is a created soul, from HIM, by HIM.. overwhelm in the shadow of a created Nafs.
.. and the matters of the soul is in the matters of only HIM.
And these never ending stories, opinions and believes that come out from us.. from our mind or heart.. where does it comes from ?.. does it come out just like that ? I don't think so.. I guess it comes from a Creator who created it.. a divine creation..
Creator of a grand pattern of each one's life story.
Creator of birth and death of our physical body
Creator of our heart feel and mind thinking.
We live in HIS created world, created thought.. in HIS observation. Our fate is in the hand of our Creator..
As for the soul.. our soul..is a created soul, from HIM, by HIM.. overwhelm in the shadow of a created Nafs.
.. and the matters of the soul is in the matters of only HIM.
I guess then that leaves "you" (understood you)out, period. Then why bother?
Sounds like meaningless.
Blessings, AJ
What is a soul/spirit?
Answer #1: Consciousness
Evidence: The soul is supposed to be eternal. Well, what has been there the longest, that hasnt changed, and that has always been there sense your birth. Your consciousness. Now, I cant prove to you that Consciousness was there before Birth. But, your mind has changed, so has your body, but your consciousness has remained the same. Even in sleep. The very fact that you know you where unconscious in sleep proves that consciousness was there. When you say I cant see, that proves that seeing is present. Therefore, in all aspects of your life, consciousness has been there, unchanging. Any aparent change in consciousness occurs because of your consciousnesses connection with the body and allowing external things to affect it.
Answer #1: Consciousness
Evidence: The soul is supposed to be eternal. Well, what has been there the longest, that hasnt changed, and that has always been there sense your birth. Your consciousness. Now, I cant prove to you that Consciousness was there before Birth. But, your mind has changed, so has your body, but your consciousness has remained the same. Even in sleep. The very fact that you know you where unconscious in sleep proves that consciousness was there. When you say I cant see, that proves that seeing is present. Therefore, in all aspects of your life, consciousness has been there, unchanging. Any aparent change in consciousness occurs because of your consciousnesses connection with the body and allowing external things to affect it.