What is a soul/spirit?

[URAVIP2ME]

The spirit returns to God in that all future life's prospects now remains with God.

That inactive spirit or life force is of no value without the breath of life.
Adam did not become a living soul until after he received the breath of life> Gen 2v7

Adam became activated from a lifeless body or soul when the breath of life was breathed into him.

Once Adam sinned he unplugged himself from his life's source, and like an unplugged fan Adam slowly wound down until he stopped. Adam returned to the dust.

Unlike Adam we are not responsible for what Adam did. When Jesus resurrected his friend [John 11vs11-14] then his friend's spirit or life force once again became activated in him. That is why Acts 24v15 can say there will be resurrection.

 

[logician]

What makes you think that a separate essence from the body is scary ? The Bible says there is a spirit in man through which / by which we get understanding from God.Job 32v8. And when we die that spirit returns to God who gave it Eccl.12v7. Yes, God is fully aware of all our doings.
We have nothing to fear if we do good according to God's requirements.

HOw cana separate essence think with no brain? How can it have your traits with no physical or mental imputs from your body? Also, is it your essence from when you are young, middle aged, or old, since we are all quite different at those varying stagesof life. Again., the idea of a spirit or soul is quite illogical from many viewpoints.:sleep:

 

[Etritonakin]

HOw cana separate essence think with no brain? How can it have your traits with no physical or mental imputs from your body? Also, is it your essence from when you are young, middle aged, or old, since we are all quite different at those varying stagesof life. Again., the idea of a spirit or soul is quite illogical from many viewpoints.:sleep:

Because there is always a "storage device" for those who exist temporarily -cease -and will exist again. It is much more wonderful -but no more mysterious -than backing up your computer. Your spirit is as it was when it ceased to be in your body -and can even be filtered by God of impurity!

:yes:

 

[Beta]

HOw cana separate essence think with no brain? How can it have your traits with no physical or mental imputs from your body? Also, is it your essence from when you are young, middle aged, or old, since we are all quite different at those varying stagesof life. Again., the idea of a spirit or soul is quite illogical from many viewpoints.:sleep:

Friend , you are looking at life from a material standpoint only. This gives you a 'one-sided' view. There is more to life than meets the eye which is 'spiritual' and unseen by man - revealed to us only by God. If a person does not believe that he can not perceive it.
The human spirit in man serves (is like) a disc or recording of our whole personality during our human lifetime. This returns to God when we die and He has our whole Being 'on tape' as it were, to be re-played when resurrected either to physical life again or to spirit-life.
All this sounds far-fetched and unbelievable to a carnal Human who is only in his initial state of existence (and dare I say it) in an 'inferior' state of Mind (no offence intended since we all start out that way).
(please see Etratonakin's post above)

 

[LuisDantas]

Friend , you are looking at life from a material standpoint only. This gives you a 'one-sided' view.

That would be a more convincing rebutal if the other side had some evidence of existing.

There is more to life than meets the eye which is 'spiritual' and unseen by man - revealed to us only by God. If a person does not believe that he can not perceive it.

If that is so, then you are reinforcing Logician's point.

The human spirit in man serves (is like) a disc or recording of our whole personality during our human lifetime. This returns to God when we die and He has our whole Being 'on tape' as it were, to be re-played when resurrected either to physical life again or to spirit-life.
All this sounds far-fetched and unbelievable to a carnal Human who is only in his initial state of existence (and dare I say it) in an 'inferior' state of Mind (no offence intended since we all start out that way).
(please see Etratonakin's post above)

That does sound quite fantasious and less than convincing, if nothing else. Proposing the existence of misterious forces that others aren't evolved enough to perceive is a classic trick of four years old children, I'm afraid.

 

[Beta]

That would be a more convincing rebutal if the other side had some evidence of existing.



If that is so, then you are reinforcing Logician's point.



That does sound quite fantasious and less than convincing, if nothing else. Proposing the existence of misterious forces that others aren't evolved enough to perceive is a classic trick of four years old children, I'm afraid.

That my friend is what free will is all about .
Each can believe what he wants - so good luck !

 

[LuisDantas]

That my friend is what free will is all about .
Each can believe what he wants - so good luck !

See, that is yet another problem. There is no convincing evidence that Free Will exists either. Therefore your argument amounts to "I want to believe".

Fair enough, I suppose, but not very weighty as arguments go.

 

[Beta]

See, that is yet another problem. There is no convincing evidence that Free Will exists either. Therefore your argument amounts to "I want to believe".

Fair enough, I suppose, but not very weighty as arguments go.

And what would be the point of arguing ?
You heard the saying : a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still !

 

[Beta]

HOw cana separate essence think with no brain? How can it have your traits with no physical or mental imputs from your body? Also, is it your essence from when you are young, middle aged, or old, since we are all quite different at those varying stagesof life. Again., the idea of a spirit or soul is quite illogical from many viewpoints.:sleep:

I am not really concerned with ' many ' viewpoints .
God's is the only one that matters. :yes:

 

[LuisDantas]

And what would be the point of arguing ?
You heard the saying : a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still !

Belief in souls and/or spirits has considerable significance. It shapes the behavior and emotional state of a great many people, to the point of leading some to rather silly and destructive choices.

BTW, I heard the saying, but it only reflects silly people, quite frankly.

 

[LuisDantas]

I am not really concerned with ' many ' viewpoints .
God's is the only one that matters. :yes:

Too bad that it refuses to voice himself in any coherent, trustworthy manner then.

 

[logician]

Because there is always a "storage device" for those who exist temporarily -cease -and will exist again. It is much more wonderful -but no more mysterious -than backing up your computer. Your spirit is as it was when it ceased to be in your body -and can even be filtered by God of impurity!

:yes:

Uh, I think you're making this up as you go along, there is nothing that exists whatsoever that backs up this statement.:sleep:

 

[Beta]

Too bad that it refuses to voice himself in any coherent, trustworthy manner then.

Of course you mean God must express himself according to YOUR understanding or you are not playing ball ?
It does not occur to you the fault could be yours ?

 

[Beta]

Uh, I think you're making this up as you go along, there is nothing that exists whatsoever that backs up this statement.:sleep:

You are not aware that God is about faith and trust and not about material evidence ?
There is little point in debate or discussion when the gulf is that wide !:cover:

 

[LuisDantas]

Of course you mean God must express himself according to YOUR understanding or you are not playing ball ?

Is there a difference?

It does not occur to you the fault could be yours ?

It does occur, and I immediately recognize the inanity of such a claim. For it is utterly nonsensical for such a supposed God to be such a poor communicator.

 

[LuisDantas]

You are not aware that God is about faith and trust and not about material evidence ?
There is little point in debate or discussion when the gulf is that wide !:cover:

By that logic, there is no reason at all to believe in God, and it is indeed quite unhealthy to attempt to.

 

[logician]

You are not aware that God is about faith and trust and not about material evidence ?
There is little point in debate or discussion when the gulf is that wide !:cover:

That has nothing to do with the statements made in the post I was referring to.

 

[Etritonakin]

You are not aware that God is about faith and trust and not about material evidence ?
There is little point in debate or discussion when the gulf is that wide !:cover:

That's not actually true -but a very common misconception.

True faith is not blind belief. Take the case of Saul -otherwise know as Paul. He was literally, instantaneously, blinded by God before he began to have real faith.
He was walking along, God struck him down, blinded him -and asked why Saul was persecuting him. He thought he had faith as he was consenting to the deaths of the followers of Christ, but it was a very real occurence which began his real faith.

Many people "of faith" have little or no real faith. It is written that faith is "from faith to faith". What happened to Paul made him believe enough to go further -and eventually wielded the same power which was used to strike him down.

Act 28:8 And it came to pass, that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever ........ to whom Paul entered in, and prayed, and laid his hands on him, and healed him.

Then those who saw this had more reason to have more faith, etc.....

It does involve some belief in what has not yet been SEEN -but this is not to say that it is not proven. It is written that faith comes by hearing/reading the word -but the word is not untruthful -people read it, begin to believe -then PROVE it.

People who say it is false are not those who would devote the time to proving it.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Many "believe" but who would have enough faith to... say... refuse King Nebuchadnezzar as Daniel did -and allow themselves to be thrown into a den of lions -or a fiery furnace like his friends? Not many!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

By that logic, there is no reason at all to believe in God, and it is indeed quite unhealthy to attempt to.

Since Jesus used logic and reasoning on Scripture was it unhealthy for him to do so?

 

[LuisDantas]

You realize that your question is unrelated to the matter in hand, don't you?