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What is a true Christian?
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CynthiaCypher
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Are you presuming to know what the will of God is?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
the only 'punishment' for sin according to Genesis, is death.
Some people would have us believe that means more then death. Death PLUS some other forms of punishment. As far as I can see, death is the only punishment God gives out to us sinners.
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CynthiaCypher
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Since you presume to know what and where the will of God is that would make you God wouldn't it? So now you are judge and jury and executioner.
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Shermana
Heretic
Saying that one understands His will because of the scripture does not make them G-d by any means. Almost the entire purpose of the OT is to make His will known (at least much of it, such as the commandments and various things in between) for everyone. The whole point of "Commandments" is "This is what he wants you to do and live your life like", so I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that the Scripture is basically about how to understand His will....for the most part at least.
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Originally posted by Pegg
"the only 'punishment' for sin according to Genesis, is death.
Some people would have us believe that means death and then some other forms of punishment after death."
Hebrew 9:27 says: It is appointed unto man once to die but after this the judgment.
Originally posted by Pegg
"the only 'punishment' for sin according to Genesis, is death.
Some people would have us believe that means death and then some other forms of punishment after death."
Hebrew 9:27 says: It is appointed unto man once to die but after this the judgment.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
the 'judgement day'
Yes. Jesus said that all who have died will be resurrected to either a resurrection of 'life or of judgement'
They will be judged, not on past sins, but on how they choose to live after their resurrection.
Paul said: Rom 6:7 For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin
All who die have already received Gods judgement for sin. The resurrection is a second chance for them so why would they be charged for the same sins that they have already been acquitted for?
Shermana
Heretic
I'm with ya on everything except being like Paul, I think Paul was the "false teacher of Ephesus", but yeah, true Christians are obedient to the commandments, at least according to the epistles of John, Matthew and James. Matthew 7:22-23 quite handily summarizes the false ones as "doers of Lawlessness" and the word "Law" clearly meaning "Mosaic".
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So I see Pegg your doctrine is somewhat strange to me. The Scriptures is clear we will reap what we have sown. The first death I am referring to is what we inherit because of Adam's transgression. All will suffer death as what is happening now. In Revelation, there is 1st and 2nd Resurrection. Those who will partake the 1st resurrection, the 2nd death has no power on them but those who have done evil and did not repented will be resurrected after the 1,000 yrs to face judgment.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Romans 5:12 That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned...14 Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned after the likeness of the transgression by Adam
We die because we individually sin. We are not punished for Adams sin. We inherited sin, yes....but we didnt all eat from the tree of knowledge so we are not punished for that crime.
Jesus was part of the 1st resurrection...he was raised to immortal life so any who join him will be going to heaven. The 2nd resurrection is for the rest of mankind and we believe that it will happen 'during' the 1,000 yr reign on earth.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
We sin as individuals...true.
Then immediately you claim we inherited Adam's sin.
Sin brings death. If we inherit sin we die in like manner.
You post is a bit double minded.
We share in the sin if Adam we die like Adam.
I don't believe that....but is it not what you said?
And yes we have all partaken of knowledge.
The 'tree' in the garden is a metaphor.
cablescavenger
Well-Known Member
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
No, look at the verse... we inherited death, not Adams transgression. When he became a sinner his body could not produce perfect children...they too were imperfect and in their own imperfection they would sin in their own ways.
The difference with our sin and Adams is that our sins will be forgiven, but Adams sin will not. That is why God sent Jesus to earth to save Adams children because God does NOT hold our sins against us.
If god doesn't hold our sins against us why would the sacrifice of Jesus be needed? Doesn't make sense, does it?
cablescavenger
Well-Known Member
I am an atheist Christian get out of that! 
cablescavenger
Well-Known Member
ok, and I look like Bruce Lee with itchy scalp.
lol xD