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What is an anti-semite?

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
So I am supposed to go by just the dictionary? I did read clearly and although the statement was informative, I am encouraging others to give their perspectives. Because, unlike you, everyone doesn't just have a narrow point of view.
Nonsense. you are trying to redefine history and established historical terms.
Trust us. it has been tried a thousand times before one 'Vendetta' on an internet forum tried to enlighten the world to an astonishing revelation.
You are simply ignorant of history. and try to alter history and the political affairs and reality to match your defeat in the face of more competent societies.

As far as me being "washed up" that was laughable. I hardly think IDF or even the infamous "isayeret" has a rigorous training as BUD/S or SAS (where people actually die). Being injured is not washed up its called bad luck. As far as my offer its ok to show cowardice you do your military proud.
Oh the old I was injured excuse. how often do sergeants need to hear this one. It is. and will always remain a pathetic excuse, for not accomplishing what other men of profession do.
 
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Vendetta

"Oscar the grouch"
The term "anti-Semite" to refer to someone who hates, dislikes, or discriminates against Jews is actually a colloquialism. It stems from a time when English speakers encountered Jews more frequently than they did Arabs, Bedouins, or the various North African Semitic peoples. The term became firmly associated with discrimination against Jews in the 19th Century, when pseudoscientific racialist bigots produced a large volume of hate material that was all gussied up for the genteel, drawing-room Jew-haters of the upper crust, and used the term "Semites" as a more scientific-sounding euphemism for "Jews."

It is actually quite ironic that today, we can speak of anti-Semitism coming from certain groups in the Arab world, which technically are all made up of Semitic people. But the usage in the English language just stuck, and so far there hasn't been much momentum in efforts to change the terminology to better reflect the phenomena it's attempting to describe.

I see so there was an evolution based on language and the "zeitgeist" of Jewish interaction. Interesting. So in your view, as one member here has put it, do you think some overuse "anti-semite" too much when Judaism is criticized?
 

Vendetta

"Oscar the grouch"
Nonsense. you are trying to redefine history and established historical terms.
Trust us. it has been tried a thousand times before one 'Vendetta' on an internet forum tried to enlighten the world to an astonishing revelation.
You are simply ignorant of history. and try to alter history and the political affairs and reality to match your defeat in the face of more competent societies.


Oh the old I was injured excuse. how often do sergeants need to hear this one. It is. and will always remain a pathetic excuse, for not accomplishing what other men of profession do.

How the hell am I rewriting history? I am really starting to think you're a verified idiot. I asked a question. When he gave me dictionary answers I am simply saying anti-semite according to how I know and understand it, refers to semitic cultures. So ok I have your view, tarheelers view, and Levite's view. I am not concerned about changing anythig. Man you need to get out more.....

Askig questions is not alterig anythig coward I am simply wondering and so what if I have concerns about accepting one piece of an opinion that is my right.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
History, schmistory....words get redefined whether we like it or not.
"Anti-semitism" is a class of weaponized words, like "racist", "sexist", & "homophobe", which are used for an effect
more than inherent meaning. When one needs to shoot down a foe in a discussion, these words are hollow points.
(Anyone like my pun?)
 

Vendetta

"Oscar the grouch"
Caldan you by far are the most annoying member here.on RF....You are not only arrogant but you are so far from the "real Jews" I've met here I am startin to think you belong with Christian fundamentalist who hang out at supermarkets telling people how terrible they are unless they convert. You spew this "all things Jew are good" which is not surprising since I am sure IDF has their own version of indoc just like SEALs or any military does. But even SEALs, marines, navymen, army know when to cool that kind of attitude.
 

Vendetta

"Oscar the grouch"
History, schmistory....words get redefined whether we like it or not.
"Anti-semitism" is a class of weaponized words, like "racist", "sexist", & "homophobe", which are used for an effect
more than inherent meaning. When one needs to shoot down a foe in a discussion, these words are hollow points.
(Anyone like my pun?)

Man I agree.....

I can't tell you how much the "race card" gets played. But sometimes certain ethnic groups including my own (African-Americans) sensationalize trivial remarks as racist which.inherently those remarks Lthough insulting, are far from being racist.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I can't tell you how much the "race card" gets played. But sometimes certain ethnic groups including my own (African-Americans) sensationalize trivial remarks as racist which.inherently those remarks Lthough insulting, are far from being racist.
Oh....you're one of those people, eh? Man, they'll let anyone in here. (Just don't tell'm about me.)
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
How the hell am I rewriting history? I am really starting to think you're a verified idiot.
And the cracking begins. no wonder you were washed out.
I asked a question. When he gave me dictionary answers I am simply saying anti-semite according to how I know and understand it
In other words. you came on line, logged in. and as trolls do, decided to provoke a group of people. without even understanding the historical context behind your dilemma. what else is new.
refers to semitic cultures. So ok I have your view, tarheelers view, and Levite's view. I am not concerned about changing anythig. Man you need to get out more.....
Cracking some more. I'm enjoying this by the minute. pretty soon you'll be giving me push ups.
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Caldan you by far are the most annoying member here.on RF....You are not only arrogant but you are so far from the "real Jews" I've met here I am startin to think you belong with Christian fundamentalist who hang out at supermarkets telling people how terrible they are unless they convert. You spew this "all things Jew are good" which is not surprising since I am sure IDF has their own version of indoc just like SEALs or any military does. But even SEALs, marines, navymen, army know when to cool that kind of attitude.
I'm really talking to a kid, aren't I?
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
And yet people bring it up again and again. and people like you cannot contain themselves but spill their beans arguing it again and again. evidently you yourself are overusing it on regular basis.

No I'm pointing out what a lame way it is to attempt to discredit your opponent by calling them anti-semites, just because they don't agree with a certain ideology. It's especially ridicilous to call a Jew an anti-semite, because most people know Jews don't hate their own people, even if we disagree strongly with some of Judaism's ways.


Who cares. so they call you an anti-smite. even some of my best friends in the university call me an anti-semite regularly because I have fierce criticism of my nation.
Yet you people feel so persecuted by a mere power of a term and a word.
Nah I'm just really tired of the word getting tossed around
 

TJ73

Active Member
I have to say, this is like support of free speech, in that you protect what may be bad and distastful because your own may be next. People too often say that Black Americans use "the race card" too much. It can be used improperly by some, sometimes, but there is a general feeling by many Americans that it is always the case every time someone brings it up.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I have to say, this is like support of free speech, in that you protect what may be bad and distastful because your own may be next. People too often say that Black Americans use "the race card" too much. It can be used improperly by some, sometimes, but there is a general feeling by many Americans that it is always the case every time someone brings it up.
It seems to me that white folk use the race card more than black folk.
Of course, there are more of us to abuse the language.
 

Vendetta

"Oscar the grouch"
Well listen folks it's obvious I cannot discuss this issue without upsetting our so called moderator and getting into a shouting contest with him so I will leave it at that. I certainly wont get anywhere and most definitely I know from my short time here moderators don't moderate their own forgive me you guys for my abrupt departure. Well I know what will make me feel better print out a certain individuals Avatar and go to the local shooting range.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I sometimes have testy relationships with particular posters.
(Hard to believe, eh?) I just limit my responses in such times...well, I think I do.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
I see so there was an evolution based on language and the "zeitgeist" of Jewish interaction. Interesting. So in your view, as one member here has put it, do you think some overuse "anti-semite" too much when Judaism is criticized?

It's hard to say. It might be easier to say that it's possible the word is over-used when it comes to people criticizing Israel's politics, although the word is not always misapplied even there. In theory, there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the political or military choices of the State of Israel. I do so myself, and frequently. What is problematic is the denial of Israel's right to exist, or the knee-jerk reaction many on the Euro-American political left have developed of presuming that any and every political/military move that Israel makes is morally wrong. But at least in theory, it is wrong for people to call someone an anti-Semite just for not giving unquestioning support to every little action taken by the Israeli government-- no entity should be entirely unquestioned, and it is hardly anti-Semitic to say so.

As for criticizing Judaism, that poses a harder question. Quite often the line is very finely drawn. For example, it is not anti-Semitic to say "I don't get the theology of Judaism. Their depiction of God, as I understand it, seems very unappealing to me." But it would be anti-Semitic to say, "Judaism is awful! Look at their god-- he's just evil." In other words, it often comes down to the speaker understanding, and reflecting in their word choices, that they are speaking about their feelings about Judaism as they understand Judaism. That it does not become a statement of objective judgment of the entirety of the Jewish People and their tradition, which is something that probably no one is qualified to make.

My view tends to be that criticizing Judaism is fair, so long as it is done respectfully, from a position of knowledge, and with cognizance of what is the criticizer's own personal opinions or impressions versus what is an objectively criticizable fact.

Very often, though, what is anti-Semitic is not necessarily the expressed criticism per se-- whether of the religion or of Israel-- but the application of it: either holding Judaism or Israel to standards not used for anyone or anyplace else, or attempting to impose values that belong to entirely different systems of understanding without context or compromise, or similar kinds of singling out Judaism or Israel in ways that non-Jewish religions or political entities are not generally singled out. And these things can all be extremely subtle, and difficult to define. Much of it, unfortunately, falls into that category that Justice Stewart used in reference to defining pornography as opposed to erotica: "I know it when I see it." And I will be the first to admit that this is not without problems.

But I confess that, while I certainly admit that the term does sometimes suffer from over-use, I am extremely uncomfortable with the degree to which non-Jews are ready and willing to write off calls of anti-Semitism to "political correctness" or "Jewish oversensitivity" or even propaganda of one sort or another. Anti-Semitism is still very much around. And though it dipped greatly after WWII, it is slowly on the rise again. I have seen it, even in the incredibly Jewish and tolerant city I live in, as well as other places-- and yes, occasionally even here on this forum. It is not a thing of the past, and it is not just "Jewish oversensitivity." Or, as a friend of mine who is an African-American minister put it, "Racism isn't over just because there's no more slaves and everyone has the right to vote; and racism isn't just defined by the times they call you "n****r. And it's sure not over because white folks say it is, any more than white people get to define what is and isn't racism."

The same principle kind of holds true.
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Well listen folks it's obvious I cannot discuss this issue without upsetting our so called moderator and getting into a shouting contest with him so I will leave it at that. I certainly wont get anywhere and most definitely I know from my short time here moderators don't moderate their own forgive me you guys for my abrupt departure. Well I know what will make me feel better print out a certain individuals Avatar and go to the local shooting range.
Make sure to get the imagery of me cracking that patronizing grin at you as you pull that trigger.
 
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