What is better conditional level or unconditional?

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So indeed you're saying God is NOT benevolent.

Fair enough. Gods are whatever you want them to be.

You were asking why it's far too late. I answered to that. There is a difference to actions when alive and when it's pretty much over.

 

[shunyadragon]

How could you prove Hell, or any afterlife without any evidence that such exists? There is absolutely no evidence of anything beyond the physical nature of our existence.

Hypothetical existence of different beliefs of anything beyond the physical from different religions is interesting, nothing exists as a basis of'proof.'

One the question of 'conditional versus unconditional'(?) this question is of the realm of the 'Divine' and God's nature beyond human comprehension.

 

[sayak83]

This thread is a foundation to more threads to come. Eventually, I want to prove hell and it's forever nature.

However, before we get there, take away hell, take away paradise. Just let's talk about love of two types.

Conditional and unconditional. First how do we define these, I'm suspecting none of them are fully that in the eyes of whatever side you take.

Full unconditional to me, would mean he loves every thing to maximum amount, no matter how evil you are, no one is loved less.

Full conditional to me, means, your love is accordance to your deeds by just measure.

Now in reality, I think both side of debates don't have either.

I'm going to define more where I lie in the spectrum. I believe God's compassionate - there is a universal love type compassion, and this is ultimate to even the worse creatures including Satan. With Satan he feels sorry for that creature with that feeling, but his wrath is such that he doesn't accept him for what he has chosen to be and for his leading astray, is rejected from his mercy and intense grace. So he is damned in God's view and hated as well, but loved in the sense of deep compassion.

Now, also, believers are not going to earn paradise through justice. That's not going to happen. Only few would follow God's light without intercession of his chosen.

Through God's grace and through the intercession of his chosen ones and holding to them, and repenting and prayers, God will accept our little worth of deeds and repay them intensely with his generosity. That is to say, you just got to give some reason for God to love you and grace upon you, and he comes racing to you and amplifies his light and grace upon your soul and you gain insights and knowledge and power you never expected.

So while there are some condition there, all it is, really, is some love towards God and his chosen, and he will pardon our evil and help us defeat it.

However, I do believe evil people and people who rebel against God's guidance, they frankly, must be lower in God's eyes and are despised and hated by him. They won't even give God and his chosen a chance to guide them and come up with all sorts of excuses for not giving the sent ones by him a chance to guide them.

I've seen people say God will forgive us no matter how bad we screwed up, like we love our children, and if our children screw up, we forgive them and wish well for them.

Now this is not to say God doesn't despite the actions of these people, just that, unconditional means God will pardon and still not torture the human being. It's not that he doesn't dislike who the person has become, it's that he sill will guide them.

Now before I go on to show why I believe one over the other. I want people to give me their thoughts. Explain where they put God on the spectrum between conditional and unconditional, as I believe no one is fully on one side or the other.

And I will hear reasons for their spectrum.

In Hinduism we believe that the Self essence of every being is also the Self of God. So for God to hate anyone or to condemn anyone is for God to Hate and Condemn His own Self. That is of course impossible. In the same breath, people who act in "un-godly" manner are confused and deluded about who they are and, even if they cause suffering, they need correction and awareness, not punishment.
In short in Hinduism God is not about good and evil, punishment and reward... It is about Knowledge and Ignorance, Awareness and Delusion.

 

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You were asking why it's far too late. I answered to that. There is a difference to actions when alive and when it's pretty much over.

The idea of grotesque and endless torment is both primitive and pointless.

No benevolent god would impose such a condition, since [he]'d instantly understand WHY the offender behaved as he or she did, and use [his] power to cure instead.

So a god who favors torment is NOT benevolent. Instead [his] conduct is arbitrary and sadistic.

 

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The idea of grotesque and endless torment is both primitive and pointless.

No benevolent god would impose such a condition, since [he]'d instantly understand WHY the offender behaved as he or she did, and use [his] power to cure instead.

So a god who favors torment is NOT benevolent. Instead [his] conduct is arbitrary and sadistic.

Hell is a form of retribution and vengeance.

 

[blü 2]

Hell is a form of retribution and vengeance.

Exactly what a benevolent god is not. A punitive, sadistic god instead.

 

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It’s proper reaction to people who die evil.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

If you can elaborate it would be appreciated.

Sorry, I meant to get back to this, then clean forgot.
Simplest (if rough) example is that I'm a father to three girls. I have an enormous amount of love for them, and can't imagine it changing. If I needed to take a bullet for them, I wouldn't hesitate.

But say one of them grows up to be a mass murderer. A serial killer. The next Hitler. I suspect my love has a boundary, and it would be reduced by these actions (extreme and unlikely as they are).
I suspect all love has conditions, even if we use the term 'unconditional love' to indicate there is nothing very likely that would cause a human to stop loving another.

I have no understanding nor belief in God's nature, hence how I framed my answer.