What Is Biblical Faith?

[URAVIP2ME]

But loving one another isn't a new commandment. Especially if God is supposed to be Love in the first place. I get really confused as to why in Christianity that you are praying to God and Jesus at the same time. I just thought of something, no one prays to the Holy Spirit why? Isn't that part of the 3-Godhead as well? Paul created the resurrection as he said he did in the new testament.
If Jesus didn't come to change the law and you said he came with a new law which Jesus is telling the truth?

An inquiring mind wants to know. There is No 3-god head.
I am using the King James translation as found at Numbers 11:17,25 and there we find the word "it" in connection to God's spirit.
An 'it' is Not a person. God's spirit 'it' is a neuter 'it'.
Even in English we speak of a car or a ship as a 'she' but we know they are always a neuter 'it'.
So, Christendom (so-called Christian) falsely teaches God's spirit to be a person.
God sends forth His spirit ( His power/ His strength ) Not a person - Psalms 104:30.

Jesus only taught to pray to his God in the heavens - Our Father who art in Heaven......
Jesus only taught to worship only his God according to John 4:23-24
The resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus sits at Not his own hand, but at God's hand. - Revelation 3:21,12.

So, what is confusing is 'so-called Christian', Not the genuine 'wheat' Christians but the fake 'weed/tares' Christians.

Before Paul spoke of the resurrection, I find Jesus did at John 5:28-29.
Jesus demonstrated the Resurrection Power at John 11:11-14 when Jesus resurrected his dead friend back to life.
Paul details about two (2) resurrections: A heavenly resurrection for some. Some as Jesus described at Luke 22:28-30 in connection to Daniel 7:18, and an earthly resurrection for most people.

Remember: All the resurrections Jesus performed were all physical resurrections, that is why Jesus promised that humble meek people will inherit (Not heaven) but inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5 from Psalms 37:9-11.

Right, loving is Not a new commandment. The Golden Rule is loving and to love neighbor as self.
What is New about Jesus' New Commandment (John 13:34-35) is to now love neighbor MORE than self.
A self-sacrificing love to the point as Jesus loved us.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

..............How about the older holier books? They must also be from God, or they would have been destroyed long ago by those people you imagine trying to collect and burn Bibles, right? Why does the Qur'an still exist?
Whatever your answer, likewise with the Bible. It's success in the number of translations and books given does not reflect just its its popularity, but also, its value to those promulgating the religion. I suspect that more Bibles are read free of charge by somebody that wants others to read it than after purchasing a copy.

First, I think it would be helpful to post one verse at a time that would be appreciated as to how to reply.
Besides libraries, many Bibles are purchased. Some are purchased and given free such as the Bible's that used to be in hotel rooms. Gifting a Bible does Not mean Not purchased, or No cost involved.
Plus, now days the Bible can be 'read free of charge' on line such as found at www.jw.org.
Why must older holier books be from God ______
If you think if I imagine why Not google and first read about the history of Christian martyrs ________
The Bible has enemies from within and without throughout the ages.
No one can destroy the Bible or Bible people, No one can stop the international spreading about the good news of God's kingdom in the hands of Christ Jesus. Just as Jesus said it would be done, it is done - Matthew 24:14.

As far as older holy books, in Scripture we find we can trace mankind's religious base or roots back to ancient Babylon. Please see Genesis chapters 10 &11. So, many books could have been written before the Bible.
As the people migrated away from ancient Babylon they took with them their religious-myth ideas and practices and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
This is why we see so many similar or overlapping religious ideas and practices spread throughout the Earth today.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The Bible is not a dictionary -- it does not define words. It USES words. Generally speaking, when the Bible says "faith" it is referring to one of two things: either it is referring to belief, or it is referring to trust in God. In some instances, it is not clear which of these two meanings is being referred to.

I can agree that the Bible is Not a dictionary but a comprehensive concordance does put Bible words in ABC order.
Since the Bible is Not written like a dictionary, then with the aid of a concordance we can be helped to see and cross-reference corresponding or parallel verses and passages in the Bible as found by topic or subject arrangement.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

And you never will if you look at them assuming that they must be correct even before reading them. By wrong, I mean immoral, not factually wrong. Here are a few you might be willing to call immoral if Mohammad had said them rather than Jesus:

[1] Matt 5:28-32 - Jesus says marriage to a divorcee is adultery; and a man who ogles a woman has already committed adultery; and that you must cut off your hand or pluck out your eye if it offends.














[2] Matt 6:19-34 - Jesus says don't save money or plan ahead. "Take therefore no thought for tomorrow: for tomorrow shall take thought of the things for itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

[3] Matt 8:32 - Having no regard for private property, Jesus destroys a herd of someone else's pigs.

[4] Matt 10:34 - Jesus says he brings not peace on earth but "a sword": "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

[5] Jesus divides families: Matthew 10:35-37 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes [shall][be] they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

[6] Matt 19:12 - Jesus says the best way for a man to be sure of getting into heaven is to have himself castrated.

[7] Mark 11:13 - Jesus destroys a fig tree for not bearing figs out of season.

[8] Mark 14:4-7 - Jesus says it is more important to anoint him with precious ointment than to give to the poor, who will always be here.(Why not just get rid of poverty?)

[9] Christ categorically says in Mark 16:16 that he who believes and is baptized, shall be saved, while he who does not believe (in Christ and Christianity) shall be damned. That's pretty narcissistic.

[10] Mark 16:18 - Jesus says anyone who believes in him can play with venomous snakes or drink poison without harm.(This act has been often tried, with rather unsatisfactory results.)

[11] Luke 12:47-48 - Jesus fails to condemn whipping slaves.

[12] Luke 14:26 - Jesus says no man can be his disciple unless he hates his parents, siblings, wife, children, and himself as well: "If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."

[13] Luke 19:27 - In telling a parable, Jesus insinuates that anyone who denies his rulership must be killed. "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and kill them in front of me."

[14] Luke 22:36 - Jesus wants us to have swords, too. He says to sell your clothes if necessary to buy one: "and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."-

[15] John 15:6 - Jesus says anyone who doesn't believe in him is fit to be burned.

[16] 2 John 1:10-11 - A Christian is forbidden to offer hospitality to a non-Christian, not even to wish him "Godspeed" on parting.

[17] James 4:4 - Christians are not to be friendly with the world: "You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God."​

These are not my values, nor would I approve of them in others. We can do much better than this and have.



How about the older holier books? They must also be from God, or they would have been destroyed long ago by those people you imagine trying to collect and burn Bibles, right? Why does the Qur'an still exist?

Whatever your answer, likewise with the Bible. It's success in the number of translations and books given does not reflect just its its popularity, but also, its value to those promulgating the religion. I suspect that more Bibles are read free of charge by somebody that wants others to read it than after purchasing a copy.

Please notice Matthew 5:32
In verse 32 Jesus says about divorce -> ' except on account of adultery ( sexual immorality Fornication KJV)'
This is repeated at Matthew 19:9 ( except on the grounds of adultery/ fornication)
This is translated into English from the Greek word porneia.
So, the reason fornication is used instead of just adultery is because porneia covers more than just adultery.
Porneia would cover having sex with an animal as scriptural grounds for a scriptural divorce.
Porneia is also where we get the English word or pornography.

In verse 29 the cutting off was Not literal but figurative with reference to sinning.
- Matthew 18:9; Mark 9:43-47; Colossians 3:5
A person needs to deaden body members where temptation is concerned - Psalms 119:37
In other words, some people sacrifice sever loosing a limb in order to save one's life.
So, Jesus was stressing Not loosing a literal limb, but anything in life so precious as that limb.
In other words, to have self control is worth more than fleeting wrong pleasures.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

They both imply each other.

No, they really don't. For example, Abraham had faith, aka he trusted God. He did not believe in the messiah -- the whole idea of the messiah was unknown to him.

 

[rational experiences]

Every human lives today by the teaching human sex owned mans sin.

As little innocent babies inherited all of man's wrongs.

And the teaching said by not listening to the wise holy men as the human father's spirituality. Holy life.

Science never existed. Human brothers chose it. We the natural family said don't build it as it was against a holy life continuing.

Natural family had to say it to the scientist.

We the organisation natural family living in God earths safety as holy earth holy dust holy heavens said you brother are wrong.

Today science tries to admonish a spiritual teaching claiming science is holy caring of life now wants to own holiness by the practice science.

My spiritual faith in my holiness as a spiritual human proved itself. Gave me the advice I needed to speak about why science was only first ever wrong.

As they made the choice against holy life as natural life first.

There was no first science organisation to say you are wrong. Just natural humans.

No one stopped them.

They believe they wont be stopped if they quote spirituality in science.

Hence humans state the oldest testimonies were the wisest men. Who lived the human abuse to slave build civilization then technology to be attacked by it.

I have faith my origin life holy father is speaking his truth once again in our life so we must listen to consciousness and not to human greed.

 

[DNB]

By this I mean, what does the Bible say faith is, and what it entails?

Faith is belief that comes from hearing or reading the testimony of others. I have never seen Paris, New York City, or Beijing, but I have faith that they exist because I have read about them from reliable sources. Faith is also, more broadly, the foundation of our hope as Christians. Because of our belief in the testimony of those long past, written for us in the Bible, we have hope and look forward to the fulfillment of its promises. (Heb. 11:1, paraphrased)

Faith and obedience are inextricably linked. But so many say that only faith is required. Should we believe God or men? Must we obey as well as believe to be saved from our sins?

You didn't even once cite the texts that explain on a fundamental level, the antithesis that exists between faith and works?
By definition alone, the principles are incompatible - you either earn your salvation, or it is by the grace of God that one is saved. What are you going to do, somehow attempt to harmonize the two antagonistic concepts?
Works are merely the evidence of one's faith, they are not the grounds on which we are saved, for even a charlatan can feign such tangible efforts.

Galatians 2:16
Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Romans 3:28
For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Romans 3:20
For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
Romans 4:1-25
What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, ...
Romans 4:3
For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”
Romans 4:5
And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Romans 4:16
That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.


Romans 9:30
What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith;

Romans 1:17
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

Romans 4:11
He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well,

Romans 3:24
And are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,


Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith—

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

James 2:23
And the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God.

Galatians 3:24
So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.


Galatians 2:21
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.
Galatians 3:11
Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
Galatians 3:22
But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Titus 3:5
He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Romans 3:27
Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

[Clara Tea]

For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:20

I was raised a born again Christian (until I found Islam) but I was taught all you have to do to get saved was accept Jesus into your heart and be saved..then baptised...I went through the entire ordeal. From babyhood until adult.

As I got older, I started thinkin ...that is just a leeway to commit sin. If Jesus was God, and God is being taught "God is Love" all the time, how can it be that easy to get to Heaven? It gave me an open door to sin. It just doesn't make since to say God is love all the time and faith is all you need to get to heaven when clearly the Bible says otherwise. God is not love all the time if he has a wrath clearly.

So if you are told to do good deeds from the Bible, then how come the preachers tell you only to have faith?

I am gratified to see that so many people see things as I do. Belief in the man Jesus, or the spirit Christ are certainly not the only ways to get into heaven. If they were, villains would get into heaven, and then heaven would be like hell.

Mafia members attend Catholic churches regularly, but they will not get into heaven because they sin.

As you said, the normal Christian view of getting into heaven is like a ticket to sin (because all sins will be forgiven).

 

[Clara Tea]

Every human lives today by the teaching human sex owned mans sin.

As little innocent babies inherited all of man's wrongs.

And the teaching said by not listening to the wise holy men as the human father's spirituality. Holy life.

Science never existed. Human brothers chose it. We the natural family said don't build it as it was against a holy life continuing.

Natural family had to say it to the scientist.

We the organisation natural family living in God earths safety as holy earth holy dust holy heavens said you brother are wrong.

Today science tries to admonish a spiritual teaching claiming science is holy caring of life now wants to own holiness by the practice science.

My spiritual faith in my holiness as a spiritual human proved itself. Gave me the advice I needed to speak about why science was only first ever wrong.

As they made the choice against holy life as natural life first.

There was no first science organisation to say you are wrong. Just natural humans.

No one stopped them.

They believe they wont be stopped if they quote spirituality in science.

Hence humans state the oldest testimonies were the wisest men. Who lived the human abuse to slave build civilization then technology to be attacked by it.

I have faith my origin life holy father is speaking his truth once again in our life so we must listen to consciousness and not to human greed.

I suppose that the idea is that Jesus died for our sins, and the only ones whose sins are absolved have to accept Jesus as the Messiah.

Jesus didn't willingly die for our sins, since he asked God "why hath thou foresaken me?" Obviously, dying on the cross was involuntary. Where did Jesus's powers go? If he could cure blindness, why couldn't he cause blindness in those who crucified him? Why couldn't God intervene to save his son from horrible torture? Maybe the idea was to force Jesus to experience the agony that some humans have to endure, so that he would understand it?

I suppose that the idea is that newborn babies are born with sin, and they have to accept Jesus as the Messiah before they could be purged of their original sin?

It seems unfair for all humans to bear the sin of Adam and Eve. I would think that we are each individually responsible for our own actions and not responsible for the actions of others. Isn't it odd that little babies are thought to have sin? I thought that Jesus died for our sins, and, if so, why are babies born with sin?

Shouldn't it be parent's sin, after all, the babies never asked to be brought into this world. Childbirth is a result of sex, and sometimes measures to prevent pregnancies fail.

RationalExperiences asserts: "science tries to admonish a spiritual teaching"

Science isn't blocking the teaching of religion. Some scientists are devout theists.

Legally, churches have to be separate from state in America, and the Constitution doesn't allow one religion to be preferred over another in government functions (like schools). This is to allow everyone with different religions to peacefully coexist.

Atheists nor scientists claim that science is holy (as you asserted).

 

[blü 2]

So what do we learn by these passages about faith? We must believe, we must obey, and we must do good works, all to have a faith that saves us.

Hmm.

I'd say we must enquire, search, question, keep striving to discover what's objectively true. At the same time, and I trust we can agree on this much, we should act towards others with decency, respect and inclusion.

 

[Honestly]

To me, faith in Jesus Christ is pretty much the same as trust in Jesus Christ. It is like saying that I have faith in my son to do the right thing. Faith or trust in Christ does not exist unless it leads us to action. Those who have faith in Christ will repent and strive to follow Christs teachings, knowing that He will bless and save them. It is not works that save us, though we can recognize true faith by a persons works.

The term "blind faith" is useless. As a person excersises faith in Christ, his faith will grow and become unshakable. He will come to know with surety that God will answer his prayers. Experience with the blessings that come through excersising faith leads the person to come to know with surety through the power of the Holy Ghost, that God lives and never lets a person down who places his trust in Him.

A couple of things build faith. They include:
1. A correct knowledge of the attributes of God (He is patient, loving, good, forgiving, unchangable, will never lie, just, and will never so anything that is harmful to us).
2. A knowledge that the life we are living is generally acceptable to God. Though God knows that we will always be imperfect, if we are striving to follow Christ, listening to our conscience, we can be assured that a just God will never ignore our sincere pleadings.

 

[rational experiences]

I suppose that the idea is that Jesus died for our sins, and the only ones whose sins are absolved have to accept Jesus as the Messiah.

Jesus didn't willingly die for our sins, since he asked God "why hath thou foresaken me?" Obviously, dying on the cross was involuntary. Where did Jesus's powers go? If he could cure blindness, why couldn't he cause blindness in those who crucified him? Why couldn't God intervene to save his son from horrible torture? Maybe the idea was to force Jesus to experience the agony that some humans have to endure, so that he would understand it?

I suppose that the idea is that newborn babies are born with sin, and they have to accept Jesus as the Messiah before they could be purged of their original sin?

It seems unfair for all humans to bear the sin of Adam and Eve. I would think that we are each individually responsible for our own actions and not responsible for the actions of others. Isn't it odd that little babies are thought to have sin? I thought that Jesus died for our sins, and, if so, why are babies born with sin?

Shouldn't it be parent's sin, after all, the babies never asked to be brought into this world. Childbirth is a result of sex, and sometimes measures to prevent pregnancies fail.

RationalExperiences asserts: "science tries to admonish a spiritual teaching"

Science isn't blocking the teaching of religion. Some scientists are devout theists.

Legally, churches have to be separate from state in America, and the Constitution doesn't allow one religion to be preferred over another in government functions (like schools). This is to allow everyone with different religions to peacefully coexist.

Atheists nor scientists claim that science is holy (as you asserted).

Con science.
Conscious.

Yes you did as man thought for science as a humans consciousness. Used it to design. Design.

Not is science owned by thoughts or owned science. Men thought about it.

One man the leader self deity.

The practice machine was to change God.

God was first stated holy.

Holy dusts.
Holy heavens.
Holy life.

Natural humans just existed we communed equally and naturally.

Now if you brother told this story from observation after the fact.

You said babies born with the sin. So as babies lived spirit visited them in miraculous healings. Learning the truth by observation plus experience.

As science time shifted holy life water itself.. it came back.

How we learnt. Why we learnt baptised by Christ mass cooling it's mass naturally to baptize the head body with water held pressurized beneath us.

Brought back to life the status said. Water and life as holy life to allow trees to oxygenate by nature's plants.

Known.

Did man learn? No. Reasons man became angered at being owner of life change. Self destructive personality is then described as lifes destroyer.

Stephen Haw King examples how a man harmed can be acutely intelligent yet aware he is wrong. As the scientist.

I was aware as I gained visions nightly of my hurt family. I had enough witnessing to know it has to be stopped.

Observation since when did in the beginning own cells blood bones?

Man's memory knows he did as the thesis was said by living men.

 

[MyM]

I suppose that the idea is that Jesus died for our sins, and the only ones whose sins are absolved have to accept Jesus as the Messiah.

Jesus didn't willingly die for our sins, since he asked God "why hath thou foresaken me?" Obviously, dying on the cross was involuntary. Where did Jesus's powers go? If he could cure blindness, why couldn't he cause blindness in those who crucified him? Why couldn't God intervene to save his son from horrible torture? Maybe the idea was to force Jesus to experience the agony that some humans have to endure, so that he would understand it?

I suppose that the idea is that newborn babies are born with sin, and they have to accept Jesus as the Messiah before they could be purged of their original sin?

It seems unfair for all humans to bear the sin of Adam and Eve. I would think that we are each individually responsible for our own actions and not responsible for the actions of others. Isn't it odd that little babies are thought to have sin? I thought that Jesus died for our sins, and, if so, why are babies born with sin?

Shouldn't it be parent's sin, after all, the babies never asked to be brought into this world. Childbirth is a result of sex, and sometimes measures to prevent pregnancies fail.

RationalExperiences asserts: "science tries to admonish a spiritual teaching"

Science isn't blocking the teaching of religion. Some scientists are devout theists.

Legally, churches have to be separate from state in America, and the Constitution doesn't allow one religion to be preferred over another in government functions (like schools). This is to allow everyone with different religions to peacefully coexist.

Atheists nor scientists claim that science is holy (as you asserted).

This is why Islam, to me is so eloquent. Everyone is held accountable for their own wrongdoings. Everyone will stand in front of their Creator and will be judged. Monotheism is taught. One God only worthy of worship. Messengers, angels, books from God, fate and the hereafter is encompassed in the religion and one must believe in all to be a believer. There is no confusion. Just the final message complete

I found many discrepancies in the Bible and now I am content. I love to discuss about it though and it doesn't bother me to put things out there lol but some might get really defensive and that isn't what I intend. If they cannot defend themselves in their own belief, why believe? I am not here to convert or **** anyone off lol Anyways, it is nice talking with you

That one like to let everyone with different religions to peacefully exist is a problem lol Many people are so arrogant in their beliefs they humiliate, ridicule and degrade each other...so horrible to see. Centuries Muslims, Christians and Jews lived side by side til alll the mayhem started. Sighs...just one of the many signs of the Day of Judgement.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Faith and obedience are inextricably linked. But so many say that only faith is required. Should we believe God or men? Must we obey as well as believe to be saved from our sins?

“But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:16-17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Faith comes by hearing God and believing what He said, in this verse it’s the Gospel, His Word, if you believe/trust what God said you will demonstrate this by your good works and people will see your changed life. God also gives you a guarantee of His promise, the Holy Spirit to be able to live a holy life and die to sin.

“In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:13-14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


“There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:1-17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Clara Tea]

So do you really think that Noah, for example, built the ark without having faith? That faith that it would be needed was not required when it had never yet rained on the earth?

Do you really think Abraham didn't need to believe in order to uproot his family and move into a new country?

Do you think that Moses didn't need to believe in order to lead all Israel out of Egypt?

Tell me again how no biblical characters required faith?

Even more amazing than Noah's Ark, is that animals marched onto it two by two, to procreate their species (except the Gay dinos).

 

[Link]

No, they really don't. For example, Abraham had faith, aka he trusted God. He did not believe in the messiah -- the whole idea of the messiah was unknown to him.

I was talking about belief in God and trust in God implying one another.

To me, if you know the proper God - you trust him. And if you trust him, it's out of belief in who he is.

 

[Audie]

To me, faith in Jesus Christ is pretty much the same as trust in Jesus Christ. It is like saying that I have faith in my son to do the right thing. Faith or trust in Christ does not exist unless it leads us to action. Those who have faith in Christ will repent and strive to follow Christs teachings, knowing that He will bless and save them. It is not works that save us, though we can recognize true faith by a persons works.

The term "blind faith" is useless. As a person excersises faith in Christ, his faith will grow and become unshakable. He will come to know with surety that God will answer his prayers. Experience with the blessings that come through excersising faith leads the person to come to know with surety through the power of the Holy Ghost, that God lives and never lets a person down who places his trust in Him.

A couple of things build faith. They include:
1. A correct knowledge of the attributes of God (He is patient, loving, good, forgiving, unchangable, will never lie, just, and will never so anything that is harmful to us).
2. A knowledge that the life we are living is generally acceptable to God. Though God knows that we will always be imperfect, if we are striving to follow Christ, listening to our conscience, we can be assured that a just God will never ignore our sincere pleadings.

No matter how big and strong a belief
is it can still be completely misguided.

Why not accept "blind faith" as what it is,
an honour even?

Theres no proof, not even any material evidence. If there were, theres no need for,
no value to faith.
Just feelings.
The so-common protest that its really
NOT blind faith is, really, what we call
"protesting too much".

 

[loverofhumanity]

Now that I am Muslim, my belief is a bit different now as to the Prophets. Actually, All prophets of God were sent to tell the world about one God as in the Bible and Quran. That's why He sent prophets to warn the people to get back on the right track. He sent laws and commandments and in the Bible Jesus says he is not bringing anything new. But yet, all they teach is "faith" contrary to what the Bible teaches. Oh I totally believe in all the messengers and prophets of God. I just don't believe the Bible isn't free from contradiction, nor the pastors bringing truth about the real message.

My understanding is that religious leaders and scholars bear a very heavy responsibility for Christians rejection of Muhammad, but also it’s their followers fault for blindly believing in them. God gave us eyes to see and a mind to think for ourselves. When I independently investigated for myself, I found many references in the Bible both Old and New Testament to Prophet Muhammad. Christian scholars and leaders I found, had led me away from, instead of towards the truth.

I was a Christian in my childhood and love Jesus so much, so when I read about Muhammad I saw the exact same Holy Spirit in Muhammad and embraced the truth.

I believe even faith coupled by deeds, without a ‘pure heart’ can lead one astray.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God" (Matthew 5:8).

Jesus said that the pure in heart shall see God. So with all the Faith and good deeds in the world, a person without a pure heart cannot see or recognise God.

Faith + good deeds = zilch.
Faith + good deeds + a pure heart = seeing God

 

[Clara Tea]

I was talking about belief in God and trust in God implying one another.

To me, if you know the proper God - you trust him. And if you trust him, it's out of belief in who he is.

God does seem to have good credentials.

 

[MyM]

I too love Jesus with all my heart. You cannot be a Muslim without loving Jesus or all the prophets and messengers of God. I don't understand why Christians, well actually I kinda do understand ...see when I became a Muslim (my parents are still Christians), they automatically thought I was denying Jesus. But all I was denying was exactly what he didn't teach in the Bible but what they believe. I denied him as God. But to them it was denying God. They said that I didn't know Jesus anymore I was stunned. I just told them Jesus never said he was God and he never did say the word trinity in his life nor the word Christianity was ever uttered from his Mouth. But besides that, they just kept on saying I was denying Jesus. I told them he was a mighty messenger of God, he performed miracles with God's permission, He cured and healed the sick with God's permission as he said he himself can do nothing but by God. They said I denied the resurrection and the death of Jesus. I asked them exactly why do you believe that God dies? They didn't answer but switched to Jesus again. It was an ever-ending circle. May God show them the way. Now, everything is fine, we accept each other, love each other for they find no fault in my actions but still very hesitant to discuss with me since they know I have an answer and they get confused. But that is ok I only want them to understand, I am not pressuring them and they stopped on their side as well. We get along peacefully and actually now they come to me and ask questions now and I answer them honestly.

May Allah guide us all ameen