This doesn't even make sense. The H.S. is subjective -- that is, experienced within oneself -- not within "multiple beliefs."
How can the Holy Spirit become the Counselor and Helper of those who are not a follower of Christ?
That is a contradiction and non-consistent.
In the first place, Jesus is telling about the Holy Spirit with His disciples and
not any yoga practitioner.
John 14:16-18
16. "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another
Helper, that He may abide with you forever,
17. "even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
18. "I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
The emergent church is honorable to God?
Did Jesus say something about denying Him?
Missing the Point About the Emerging Church
Scholars who are now critiquing the emerging church may be missing the most important element of all.
Many think that one of the big problems with the Emerging Church is their view on relativism (the belief that there are no absolutes). But they may be wrong, very wrong. Brian McLaren rejected relativism in a Powerpoint presentation we viewed last year. Relativism does not describe the Emerging Church. As McLaren himself said, it has to go beyond that ... and indeed it does. Where do we go from relativism, according to McLaren ... what else .... interspirituality.
But remember interspirituality is the outcome of contemplative prayer and is the uniting of all religions and the denial that Jesus Christ as the only way of salvation. So many of the scholars who are analyzing the emerging church may be missing something that is right under their noses. Want to find out where the emerging church is really heading ... you are going to have to look beyond the obvious. When you reach that destination, you may be in for the shock of your life.
ligthouse trails
Matt 10:32-33
32. "Therefore
whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.
33.
"But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
ROFLMAO. Dear God!! I know these people -- I've met them and conversed with them. How much more research do you think can be done, than by going to the source?! You are misrepresenting the Movement. You don't understand the Movement. Your claims about the Movement are Utterly. FALSE. I don't know how much clearer I can be. You're talking to someone who is part of the Movement and understands it thoroughly. The Emergent Movement is not what you claim it to be. Period.
Can you not make an
acronym? It’s no use since I did not understand it.
I did not understand the movement? Why?
Do I need to be a doctor if I’m sick? Do the disciples need to be Jesus to follow His teachings?
"The church has been preoccupied with the question, "What happens to your soul after you die?" As if the reason for Jesus coming can be summed up in, "Jesus is trying to help get more souls into heaven, as opposed to hell, after they die." I just think a fair reading of the Gospels blows that out of the water. I don't think that the entire message and life of Jesus can be boiled down to that bottom line."—Brian McLaren, from the PBS special on the Emerging Church
What do you think Jesus will say about this?
Is Jesus as the truth seems to be forgotten?
Of course. God is one. Humanity is one. All are one. Why do you seek to divide what God seeks to unify? (
Isaiah 25:6-8)
Do you think people of different faiths will deny themselves and follow Jesus? Even if you define it and
pound it repeatedly on the ground that humanity will be
one with God, it will not happen.
Not all people will seek God and deny themselves to dedicate their life and obey Jesus.
How about you, did you deny yourself and follow Jesus only?
Correct. God is engendered in many ways, through many different religions. All religions deal with divinity, do they not? Is God not the same, no matter what we call God?
The mere fact that you allows Buddhism, Hindus and other religious faiths is already an
invitation and opening to one world religion. This is the truth.
No.
The God of Christianity is not the same God of all. Jesus would’nt accept other teachings contrary to his word.
Why Jesus should bow to other faiths?
Nope. Many different faiths believe in the oneness of God. It's a thread of larger truth that permeates differences.
That is what you think. It is already riding. Allow me to post this article.
The Emergent Church Teaches One World Religion!
Brian McLaren, recognized as the major leader of the
Emergent Church, is not too sure what he believes about the essential truths of Scripture (except to doubt many of them). He is not too sure what he is but we know what he is not—sane, sensible, or scriptural. Note the confusion of the poor man: He characterizes himself as “a missional, evangelical, post/protestant, liberal/conservative, mystical/poetic, biblical, charismatic/contemplative, fundamentalist/calvinist, anabaptist/anglican, methodist, catholic, green, incarnational, depressed-yet-hopeful, emergent, unfinished Christian.” (Subtitle of A Generous Orthodoxy.) Well, that seems to cover the waterfront! He seems to be a little bit of everything, except a Christian!
McLaren is a fevered ecumenist who has met with major Jewish leaders from a group known as Synagogue 3000’s with the purpose to break down walls of separation. He wrote, “We have so much common ground on so many levels.” He notes. “We face similar problems in the present, we have common hopes for the future, and we draw from shared resources in our heritage. I’m thrilled with the possibility of developing friendship and collaboration in ways that help God’s dreams come true for our synagogues, churches, and world.” (From Doug Pagitt’s website, “Emergent Christian/Jewish Leaders Meeting News Release,” 12-7-2005.) Emphasis added.
The Emergent Church leaders are working closely with Jewish leaders in an attempt to find ways to work together in bringing about “God’s dreams” for His Kingdom on earth. God’s dreams! Brian did not get that from Scripture but it made the Jewish leaders feel good that an “evangelical” was reaching out to them after breaking down and climbing over the walls that separated them.
EC leaders pitch this cooperation between Jews and “Evangelicals” as a real spiritual awakening, unique to history as they share their respective faiths to do God’s work together! You will look in vain to find even a suggestion of that in the Bible. In fact, you discover the opposite. When Jesus told the Jews the truth, they crucified Him. When Stephen spoke to the Jewish council as recorded in Acts 7:51-52, he did not “dialogue” with them but charged: “Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers.” They stoned him! Maybe that’s why these pitiful “Evangelicals” don’t preach Christ to modern-day Jewish councils. They also just don’t understand that it is a sign of love to tell people the truth.
Brian McLaren reveals his twisted view of ecclesiastical separation in his book A Generous Orthodoxy when he says,
“I don’t believe making disciples must equal making adherents to the Christian religion. It may be advisable in many (not all!) circumstances to help people become followers of Jesus and remain within their Buddhist, Hindu, or Jewish contexts.” (Brian McLaren, A Generous Orthodoxy, p. 260.)
McLaren declared that
if Muslims, Buddhist, Jews, or atheists, are “happy being Muslim, or Buddhist or Jewish or atheist,” then he says we should not “shoe-horn them out of their religion” into Christianity. (Impact News, “Sojourners Chairman: Jesus Cared More About Earth Than Heaven,” 6-4-07.)
McLaren wrote, “…
many Hindus are willing to consider Jesus as a legitimate manifestation of the divine…many Buddhists see Jesus as one of humanity’s most enlightened people…. A shared reappraisal of Jesus’ message could provide a unique space or common ground for urgently needed religious dialogue—and it doesn’t seem an exaggeration to say that the future of our planet may depend on such dialogue. This reappraisal of Jesus’ message may be the only project capable of saving a number of religions….” (Brian McLaren, The Secret Message of Jesus: Uncovering the Truth that could change everything, p 7.) Emphasis added.
Of course, the Christian message and motive is not to save religions but to spread the message of Christ. And I wonder if Brian is a little hyperbolic to suggest that the future of the planet rests upon various pagan religions getting together for a religious powwow—which is exactly where all this is headed with the help of people like EC spokesmen.
You don’t think that is their motive? Let Brian speak even more clearly: “Today, he [Apostle Paul] might speak of reconciliation of the war veteran with the pacifist protester. The tattooed and pierced granddaughter with her prim and proper grandmother…. Christians with Jews and Muslims and Hindus.” (Ibid p. 99.)
McLaren declared that the Hindu leader Gandhi “sought to follow the way of Christ without identifying himself as a Christian” (A Generous Orthodoxy, p. 189). No, Gandhi was a pagan and McLaren and his co-conspirators in the EC are merging the Emergent Church with paganism.
McLaren swallowed the Kool Aide when he wrote,
“My knowledge of Buddhism is rudimentary, but I have to tell you that much of what I understand strikes me as wonderful and insightful, and the same can be said of the teachings of Muhammad, though of course I have my disagreements. … I’d have to say that the world is better off for having these religions than having no religions at all, or just one, even if it were ours. … They aren’t the enemy of the gospel, in my mind….” (A New Kind of Christian, pp. 62, 63).
How in the world can a sane man declare that pagan religions that deny all the essential doctrines of Christ are not the enemy of the Gospel? Muslims deny the divinity of Christ and even reject the fact He died on the cross! Brian had better understand that it is bad to be wrong but disastrous to be wrong for all eternity.
Alan Jones, wrote, “The image of the child Jesus sitting on the Buddha’s lap appeals to me and captures the spirit of this book. It is an image of the Kingdom. ‘The Kingdom’ is a sort of shorthand signifying an inclusive community of faith, love and justice.” (Alan Jones, Reimagining Christianity, p. 12.) He declared on page 16, “The phrase, ‘I am a practicing Christian but not a believing Christian’ is extraordinarily wise.” Such a person, taking that position, is as lost as a goose in a snowstorm!
On page 88, Alan shows that he is a one-worlder when he comments on a “Eucharist” service in Australia. “Aboriginal dancers led the procession into the cathedral and later led the offertory procession to the altar.
During communion, representatives of the Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, and Baha’i faiths read passages from their sacred writings, and after communion an aboriginal leader offered a dream-time reflection. Was this Christian? The answer, as far as I’m concerned, is ‘Of course.’ ” But I say, “Of course not!”
At Jones’ Episcopal church in San Francisco, he said
“we ‘break the bread’ for those who follow the path of the Buddha and walk the way of the Hindus.” (Reimagining Christianity, p. 89.) Then he breaks bread with pagans! Obviously, Episcopalians have more problems than whether or not to ordain women as priests!
To prove that anything goes in the EC crowd, Jones even endorsed witches on page 22! “I discovered that the nice woman next to me on a plane recently is a witch who values the spirits in trees, rivers, and mountains. She struck me as strong and gentle and full of love. I thought, ‘How great to be a member of such an interesting and caring family.’” Hand me a barf bag!
EC leaders are so gracious, kind, thoughtful, even sweet to all kinds of heretics, mystics, one-worlders, witches, and other oddballs and very unkind, uncivil, and unrelenting to Bible-believing Christians! EC leaders love to hate Fundamentalists! EC tolerance does not reach that far! No doubt, many will charge me with being unloving, jealous, bigoted, Pharisaical, and hateful; and I wonder what those same critics think about Paul’s warnings in his charge to church leaders to “reprove, rebuke, exhort.” Moreover, what of Jude’s command to contend for the faith?
It is also noteworthy that our critics in the EC can make outrageous statements about us and they are never unloving, hateful, etc. Note McLaren’s statement (put in the mouth of his fictional character Neo):
“I don’t dislike fundamentalists, taken individually—they tend to be pretty nice folks. Get them together in a group though, and I get nervous. I start to twitch and break out in a rash” (p. 9). Brian McLaren, A New Kind of Christianity, p. 9.) Every real Bible believing Christian should be offended by that outrageous statement.
EC people love every weirdo and all pagan religions with all their cockamamie teachings but are not loving, kind, and gracious toward Bible believing Christians! EC leaders have a warm embrace for the pagans and vicious umbrage for true believers. And they talk about returning to the teaching of Christ!
Copyright 2008, Don Boys, Ph.D.
(Dr. Don Boys is a former member of the Indiana House of Representatives, author of 13 books, frequent guest on television and radio talk shows, and wrote columns for USA Today for 8 years. His most recent book is ISLAM: America’s Trojan Horse! These columns go to over 11,000 newspapers, television, and radio stations. His websites are www.cstnews.com and www.Muslimfact.com.)
Oh come on. Don’t say that God does not hate;
He hate sin.
Prov. 6:16-19
16. These six things the Lord hates, yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood,
18. a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil,
19. a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren.
I think God is pleased with their sincere religious practices. I think that idolatry supplants the Divine with some contrivance, rather than points to the Divine. I think you're confused about what an idol actually is.
What do you think of God? a compromising God? Maybe the other
god is pleased with the sincere religious practice--that is not the teaching of Jesus Christ.
Oh, I just missed that.
I think you are confused about the teachings of Jesus Christ in relation with the other beliefs.
You cannot determine what is Christianity and what is not.
I’m very clear what is an idol, and what is not. I’m a former baptized
Roman Catholic.
Isa. 44:9-10
9. Those who make a graven image, all of them are useless, and their precious things shall not profit; they are their own witnesses; they neither see nor know, that they may be ashamed.
10. Who would form a god or cast a graven image that profits him nothing?
11. surely all his companions would be ashamed; and the workmen, they are mere men. let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, they shall be ashamed together.
Lev. 19:4
4. `Do not turn to idols, nor make for yourselves molded gods: I am the Lord your God.
People perceive that they aren't one with God. Sin is present as a lie. When the lie is dispelled, oneness will be the result.
Sin is a lie? How come it is a lie? So you are not a sinner—
a complete person? Wow. The word
“sin” seems unknown to you. A person cannot be one to God without acknowledging he is a sinner.
Luke 18:10-14
10. "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee, and the other a tax-gatherer.
11. "The Pharisee stood and was praying thus to himself, `God, I thank Thee that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax-gatherer.
12. `I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.'
13. "But the tax-gatherer, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven,
but was beating his breast, saying, `God, be merciful to me, the sinner!'
14. "I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other;
for everyone who exalts himself shall be humbled, but he who humbles himself shall be exalted."
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