What is energy?

[`mud]

Photons are the dark matter that Spiny mentioned,
only they're dark, transparent, weightless, mutually resonant,
immeasurably small, and the entire support of the Cosmos.
They are the basis of what we call gravity.
All that 'matter' that Spiny mentioned,
is held in place by the photons of the Cosmos,
the transporter of all energy in motion.
~
I think.....prove me wrong !
~
'mud

 

[Thief]

The 'gravity' particle has not been discovered.
I don't think there is such a thing.

Gravity is just a character of mass.

Photons are particles of light....last I heard.

Dark matter and dark energy are still in the realm of strong suspicion.
Equations reported by those science guys on tv.....indicate there is a lot more than what we can see.

 

[godnotgod]

Energy is the ability to do work...so I suppose anything that has no potential to do work...if there is such a state of being absolute motionless...

But then we must ask: "what is this 'ability to do work?'" This sounds like a conscious will is involved.

Are you sure this is about 'work', and not 'play', as in 'lila' and 'maya'? You see, and if this is actually a kind of playfulness on the part of the universe, then we might see it as illusory, meaning that what we think we see as action, as working energy, is, in reality, absolute motionlessness, creating the illusion of action, which is maya.

This can only be seen from the POV of Awakened Consciousness; The Absolute, The Changeless.

 

[godnotgod]

Matter.

Recent findings show us that fluctuations in the quantum field together with the Higgs Boson, are responsible for creating virtual mass. IOW, all matter is virtual. All reality is virtual. This is in perfect harmony with Eastern thought, which says that everything is illusory, ie; 'maya', ((Hinduism) or that 'form is emptiness; emptiness is form' (Buddhism).

It's confirmed: Matter is merely vacuum fluctuations - physics-math - 20 November 2008 - New Scientist

Einstein is reputed to have said:

“Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. There is no matter.”

― Albert Einstein

 

[godnotgod]

What isn't energy ??.

Could it be that what we call 'matter' and 'energy' are, in reality, simply manifestations of a conscious force that is behind both?...what the Hindus refer to as 'Brahman', or as the 'ground of being', or what science calls 'the unified field'?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Matter.

How is energy...the ability to do work...intrinsic to matter?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It's a lot less than that. The equations will need to be rewritten eventually to account for dark matter and energy.

Ahhh...the wonderlngs of mere mortals.. My wondering is how can symbolic representations of reality (your equations) ever capture the reality they are meant to stand for? Iow, science is just another art form...it mimics nature, interacts with it, etc., but in the final analysis, it is still only an aspect of the very nature it studies, and thus can never realize the ultimate truth so long as a dualistic perspective prevails....

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Photons are the dark matter that Spiny mentioned,
only they're dark, transparent, weightless, mutually resonant,
immeasurably small, and the entire support of the Cosmos.
They are the basis of what we call gravity.
All that 'matter' that Spiny mentioned,
is held in place by the photons of the Cosmos,
the transporter of all energy in motion.
~
I think.....prove me wrong !
~
'mud

Well I can't say you are wrong...but my own understanding of photons were that they were partially disintegrated electrons.. Electrons are spherical standing waves of dark energy/zpe...and when impacted upon by sufficient energy (such as a photon) to destabilize the standing wave .....the energy that made up the electron radiates in a distributed cloud form back into the dark energy omnipresent background at the speed of light, until a point of convergence somewhere in the space of dark energy is reached where the incoming waves from all directions spherically arrive in the correct phase so as to form another stable spherical standing wave...aka,,electron. During the disintegrated phase between electron states...the cloud energy is known as a photon...nothing goes missing...ever...

 

[gnostic]

Well I can't say you are wrong...but my own understanding of photons were that they were partially disintegrated electrons.

I am no expert in particle physics, but from what I understand of the Standard Model of particle physics, they distinguish electrons as being leptons particles, while photon are one of gauge boson particles, or simply bosons.

But leaving aside the Stanard Model, electron has mass, and are negative-charge particles, while photons have no electric charge and are massless.

But photon or light can be produced from some reaction of matters, not just by electrons. In electromagnetism, light is both a particle and wave.

 

[gnostic]

Electrons are spherical standing waves of dark energy/zpe...and when impacted upon by sufficient energy (such as a photon) to destabilize the standing wave .....the energy that made up the electron radiates in a distributed cloud form back into the dark energy omnipresent background at the speed of light, until a point of convergence somewhere in the space of dark energy is reached where the incoming waves from all directions spherically arrive in the correct phase so as to form another stable spherical standing wave...aka,,electron. During the disintegrated phase between electron states...the cloud energy is known as a photon...

Why are you bringing up dark energy with photons and electrons?

Scientists understand both electrons and photons, but what is dark energy is still speculative at best, and so far, to be untestable. It (dark energy) has only been infer.

Electrons and photons both have energy, but they aren't dark energy.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I am no expert in particle physics, but from what I understand of the Standard Model of particle physics, they distinguish electrons as being leptons particles, while photon are one of gauge boson particles, or simply bosons.

But leaving aside the Stanard Model, electron has mass, and are negative-charge particles, while photons have no electric charge and are massless.

But photon or light can be produced from some reaction of matters, not just by electrons. In electromagnetism, light is both a particle and wave.

You know the story of the blind men describing the elephant...one feeling the trunk and making a judgement. one the tail, one the ear, etc...well that's what we've got when following the different scientific disciplines trying to describe the one reality...particle physicists, quantum physicist, astronomers, electrical, etc...so what do they each say fills the omnipresent space of the universe...CMBR, Vacuum, ZPE, Higg's Field, Dark Energy, Plasma...???

"Light is both particle and a wave"....so is an electron, and the transition from the apparent particle (spherical standing wave) to the wave (energy cloud) back to the particle is what I described. This is based on the WSM (Wave Structure of Matter) theory....though for now this is just another of the blind men describing a part of the 'elephant'.

Remember too that it takes big funding to do this science...so there is not a lot of brotherly love between disciplines...and a heap of competition for sponsors...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Why are you bringing up dark energy with photons and electrons?

Scientists understand both electrons and photons, but what is dark energy is still speculative at best, and so far, to be untestable.

Oh is that right?

For starters....please explain what scientists know about what an electron is made of...what is inside it?

 

[Thief]

How is energy...the ability to do work...intrinsic to matter?

Matter is made of energy.
Energy equals mass x the velocity of light squared.

(not that I believe in time as more than a factor)

and a course I took in physics had an example made....for the sake of calculation.

Hold a book at arms length and do nothing more.
as the moments tick away your shoulder muscle will burn for the effort made.
but no work is being done.
the calculation requires movement.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Matter is made of energy.
Energy equals mass x the velocity of light squared.

(not that I believe in time as more than a factor)

and a course I took in physics had an example made....for the sake of calculation.

Hold a book at arms length and do nothing more.
as the moments tick away your shoulder muscle will burn for the effort made.
but no work is being done.
the calculation requires movement.

If you mean that energy is doing work maintaining the existence and mass of a so called particle of matter...then yes....is that what you meant Spiny Norman?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

If you mean that energy is doing work maintaining the existence and mass of a so called particle of matter...then yes....is that what you meant Spiny Norman?

At the sub-atomic level you could say it's all energy, but at our everyday level if you drop a brick on your foot it will hurt. The brick starts with gravitational potential energy, that converts to kinetic energy on the way down.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Recent findings show us that fluctuations in the quantum field together with the Higgs Boson, are responsible for creating virtual mass. IOW, all matter is virtual. All reality is virtual. This is in perfect harmony with Eastern thought, which says that everything is illusory, ie; 'maya', ((Hinduism) or that 'form is emptiness; emptiness is form' (Buddhism).

Muddling up sub-atomic physics with sunyata isn't going to make things any clearer.

 

[godnotgod]

Muddling up sub-atomic physics with sunyata isn't going to make things any clearer.

It will if you begin to pay attention to reality, rather than to what your entrenched paradigm dictates to you.

They are not two separate things. The (muddling) separation exists only in your conceptual mind.

Did you bother to read the article confirming that mass is virtual, created by quantum fluctuations? If you did, and understood what was being said, you would have no trouble understanding how maya and emptiness apply.

To reiterate: ALL MATERIAL REALITY IS VIRTUAL.

 

[godnotgod]

Oh is that right?

For starters....please explain what scientists know about what an electron is made of...what is inside it?

"The Higgs field [as well as the Quantum field] is also thought to make a small contribution, giving [virtual] mass to individual quarks as well as to electrons and some other particles. The Higgs field creates mass out of the quantum vacuum too, in the form of virtual Higgs bosons. So if the LHC confirms that the Higgs exists*, it will mean all reality is virtual."

It's confirmed: Matter is merely vacuum fluctuations - physics-math - 20 November 2008 - New Scientist

*I believe the Higgs-boson has now been confirmed since this article was written (2008).

 

[Ben Dhyan]

At the sub-atomic level you could say it's all energy, but at our everyday level if you drop a brick on your foot it will hurt. The brick starts with gravitational potential energy, that converts to kinetic energy on the way down.

Yes it is in so far as these physical vehicles are concerned...the pain designed into these vehicles if the 'driver' errs is to ensure they are not unnecessarily damaged...but the underlying unity of cosmos stands... So please show some sense of opened mindedness and accept that contemporary science is relatively primitive...it has just learnt in recent times that all they have been dealing with is less than 5% of cosmos stuff... Contemporary orthodox science doesn't even know what an electron is made of...but some skeptics do....dark matter/zpe...

 

[Rick O'Shez]

It will if you begin to pay attention to reality, rather than to what your entrenched paradigm dictates to you.

Pot calling the kettle black there! But seriously, you will only confuse yourself it you try to mix up sub-atomic physics and sunyata. The experience of sunyata is a realisation of the conditionality of the 5 aggregates, it was never intended as an ontological statement about the sub-atomic world. You will confuse yourself even further if you then try to muddle these concepts up with ideas about cosmic consciousness. You've been preaching the same new-age style muddle here for a long time, isn't it time to change the record?