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What is hell according to your tradition?

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Describe Hell if you believe in it. It is one of the teachings I was raised with that I struggle with more than all others.

According to my tradition it is a state of purification through painful trials that a soul must undergo to reach perfection and it begins in this lifetime. Some souls believe that their condition will never change, but this is a consequence of their sins that they believe this, and it is part of their hell.

I believe that eventually every soul will be purified (Even if it takes hundreds of thousands of years).

We have all experienced Hell to a certain extent.
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Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Describe Hell if you believe in it. It is one of the teachings I was raised with that I struggle with more than all others.

According to my tradition it is a state of purification through painful trials that a soul must undergo to reach perfection and it begins in this lifetime. Some souls believe that their condition will never change, but this is a consequence of their sins that they believe this and it is part of their hell.

I believe that eventually every soul will be purified (Even if it takes hundreds of thousands of years). We have all experienced Hell to a certain extent.
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A place that was made up by the Church as a scare tactic to keep the masses in line...and to keep the $$$ flowing in.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
A place that was made up by the Church as a scare tactic to keep the masses in line...and to keep the $$$ flowing in.
Well, as depressing as that is, I hope you're right, cuz that's less depressing than what Christians have taught me about people's flesh crawling with worms and maggots and tormented by flames forever. So...I hope you're right :)
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Describe Hell if you believe in it. It is one of the teachings I was raised with that I struggle with more than all others.

According to my tradition it is a state of purification through painful trials that a soul must undergo to reach perfection and it begins in this lifetime. Some souls believe that their condition will never change, but this is a consequence of their sins that they believe this, and it is part of their hell.

I believe that eventually every soul will be purified (Even if it takes hundreds of thousands of years). We have all experienced Hell to a certain extent.
hell_forever_and_ever.jpg
This sums up what I believe about hell in Nichiren Buddhism:
Buddhism identifies Ten Worlds--ten states or conditions of life that we experience within our lives, moving from one to another at any moment according to our interactions with our environment and those around us. Each of us possesses the potential to experience all ten, from the prison-like despair and self-hatred of Hell to the expansive joy and wisdom of Buddhahood.

The Ten Worlds are Hell, Hunger, Animality, Anger, Humanity, Heaven, Learning, Realization, Bodhisattva and Buddhahood. By strengthening our spiritual lives through the practice of chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, Nichiren Buddhism teaches that rather than being at the mercy of our surroundings we can develop the ability to set our own direction and spend more of our lives in the more positive life states.

Each of us has a tendency to gravitate toward a particular life state, and if this is one of the lower worlds, great suffering can be caused to ourselves and those around us. Through raising up our life condition which manifests in the Ten Worlds, we can bring out the positive aspects of any situation we find ourselves in.

The world of Bodhisattva is a state of compassion in which we devote ourselves to the welfare and happiness of others. Buddhahood is a state of completeness and perfect freedom filled with wisdom, vitality and courage in which even overcoming challenges becomes a source of joy.

Hell: A state of suffering and despair in which we perceive we have no freedom of action. It is characterized by the impulse to destroy ourselves and everything around us.

Hunger: The state of being controlled by insatiable desire for money, power, status etc. While desires are inherent in any of the Ten Worlds, in this state we are at the mercy of our cravings and cannot control them.

Animality: In this state, we are ruled by instinct with neither reason nor moral sense nor the ability to make long-range judgments. We operate by the law of the jungle and will not hesitate to take advantage of those weaker than ourselves and fawn on those who are stronger.

Anger: Here, awareness of ego emerges, but it is a selfish, greedy, distorted ego, determined to best others at all costs and seeing everything as a potential threat to itself. In this state we value only ourselves and tend to hold others in contempt.

Humanity (also called Tranquility): This is a flat, passive state of life, from which we can easily shift into the lower four worlds. While we may generally behave in a humane fashion in this state, we are highly vulnerable to strong external influences.

Heaven (or Rapture): This is a state of intense joy stemming, for example, from the fulfillment of some desire, a sense of physical well-being, or inner contentment. Though intense, the joy experienced in this state is short-lived and also vulnerable to external influences.

The six states from Hell to Heaven are called the six paths or six lower worlds. Any happiness or satisfaction to be gained in these states depends totally upon circumstances and is therefore transient and subject to change. In these six lower worlds, we base our entire happiness, indeed our whole identity, on externals.

The next two states, Learning and Realization, come about when we recognize that everything experienced in the six paths is impermanent, and we begin to seek some lasting truth. Unlike the six paths, which are passive reactions to the environment, these four higher states are achieved through deliberate effort.

Learning: In this state, we seek the truth through studying the teachings or experience of others.

Realization: In this state we seek the truth not through others' teachings but through our own direct perception of the world.

Having realized the impermanence of things, people in these states have won a measure of independence and are no longer prisoner to their own reactions as in the six paths. However, they often tend to be contemptuous of people in the six paths who have not yet reached this understanding. In addition, their search for truth is primarily self-oriented, so there is a great potential for egotism in these two states.

Bodhisattva: Bodhisattvas are those who aspire to achieve enlightenment and at the same time are equally determined to enable all other beings to do the same. Conscious of the bonds that link us to all others, in this state we realize that any happiness we alone enjoy is incomplete, and we devote ourselves to alleviating others' suffering. Those in this state find their greatest satisfaction in altruistic behavior.

Buddhahood: Buddhahood is a dynamic state that is difficult to describe. We can partially describe it as a state of perfect freedom, in which we are enlightened to the ultimate truth of life. It is characterized by infinite compassion and boundless wisdom. In this state, we can resolve harmoniously what appear from the standpoint of the nine worlds to be insoluble contradictions. A Buddhist sutra describes the attributes of the Buddha's life as a true self, perfect freedom from karmic bonds throughout eternity, a life purified of illusion, and absolute happiness.

Read more: Ten worlds

"First of all, as to the question of where exactly hell and the Buddha exist, one sutra states that hell exists underground, and another sutra says that the Buddha is in the west. Closer examination, however, reveals that both exist in our five-foot body. This must be true because hell is in the heart of a person who inwardly despises his father and disregards his mother. It is like the lotus seed, which contains both blossom and fruit. In the same way, the Buddha dwells within our hearts."​

New Year’s Gosho (WND, 1137)
Nichiren Shonin

It's our state of mind until we are not going through the stage of rebirth; and, we truly understand the nature of life through cause and effect.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Describe Hell if you believe in it.
Based upon my NDE:

Hell is the lowest dimension within reality, it is the solid matter that makes the fabric of what we see around us at a quantum level.

Thus it is like being a single worm within the soil, not being able to move very much, trapped in your own emotion in infinite time; yet without a linear time-frame to work it all out....Thus it is sort of like being in a nightmare of your own making.

The reason people are down there is they've chosen to be separate from Oneness (Heaven), and thus separate them self in the Pit (which is referenced multiple times within the Tanakh, though not understood to mean what it implies).

Most people down there are low vibration, stuck with emotions like remorse, sorrow, regret, resentment, snarkiness, cynicalness, blame, accusativness, slanderous, etc...

Thus it is like a murky brown color from everyone's bad vibrations, as you ascend things get brighter.

As we look around the worlds religions, they all have a similar understanding on the place, it is a dark shadowy under world, a place of lost souls; where those who've lost sight of God end up, until they repent (turn towards the light). :innocent:
 

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
There are 7 levels of Hell.
The worst level is where hypocrites will abide, than followed by polytheists, disbelievers(those who heard the message but rejected it) and sinful muslims( if Allah swt decides to punish the sinful muslims). As for sinful muslims they wont stay in hellfire for ever.

Hell is hot, but there are also hell versions which are extremely cold.

I believe hellfire is truly justice.
 

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
The only hell you could ever have to face is here in life. Pain, sadness, anger, grief, these are the worst things we will ever face, there is no punishment after death.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Describe Hell if you believe in it. It is one of the teachings I was raised with that I struggle with more than all others.

Apparently Jesus' believed in hell. Biblical hell that is.
Especially when the un-faithful Jews began mixing with the Greeks they adopted their theories and philosophies about a religious-myth hell of forever burning. To me, if the Bible's hell was permanent then No one could get out of hell.
Does anyone righteous go to hell?______
The day righteous Jesus' died Jesus went to hell according to Acts of the Apostles 2:27; Psalms 16:10
So, we need to know what Jesus taught about death. Jesus taught sleep ( Not pain ) in death at John 11:11-14
Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach 'sleep' in death :
- Psalms 13:3; Psalms 6:5; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
If biblical hell was a permanent place there would be No need for keys which could un-lock hell
The resurrected Jesus has keys to unlock the Bible's hell - Revelation 1:18

After Jesus' resurrects ( delivers up ) everyone out of biblical hell, then emptied-out hell is then cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell according to Revelation 20:13-14.
The definition of the symbolic lake of fire is defined as: 'second death' at Revelation 20:13-14
Jesus does Not send Satan to hell, but according to Hebrews 2:14 B, Jesus will destroy Satan.
Satan thus ends up in ' second death ' - Revelation 21:8.
Since all the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7, then ' second death ' is a fitting term for: destruction.
So, the Bible's hell is simply mankind's temporary grave for the sleeping dead until Resurrection Day ( Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth for a thousand years ) when enemy death will be No more ever again
- 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Hell is the place you don't want to go to.

Right, don't want to go, and what healthy person wants to pick the day they want to die.
Biblical hell to me is a place you don't want to go because the dead know nothing there - Ecclesiastes 9:5
Know nothing because of being in an unconscious state of sleep as Jesus taught at John 11:11-14
The dead are Not aware of the passing of time as we are Not aware of the passing of time while asleep.
So, while in the Bible's temporary hell one is simply in the temporary grave until Resurrection Day.
Resurrection Day being Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth when Jesus will use the keys to unlock biblical hell for the dead - Revelation 1:18
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Right, don't want to go, and what healthy person wants to pick the day they want to die.
Biblical hell to me is a place you don't want to go because the dead know nothing there - Ecclesiastes 9:5
Know nothing because of being in an unconscious state of sleep as Jesus taught at John 11:11-14
The dead are Not aware of the passing of time as we are Not aware of the passing of time while asleep.
So, while in the Bible's temporary hell one is simply in the temporary grave until Resurrection Day.
Resurrection Day being Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth when Jesus will use the keys to unlock biblical hell for the dead - Revelation 1:18
Oh go away.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The only hell you could ever have to face is here in life. Pain, sadness, anger, grief, these are the worst things we will ever face, there is no punishment after death.

Genesis and I agree with you because there was No post-mortem penalty or punishment for Adam.
Adam simply ' returned ' to the dust of the ground according to Genesis 3:19
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non life.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Hell in my tradition is more akin to a harsh detention I guess. Like you go there for a while, get purified and then "try again."
Although there is this weird family belief that anyone born in the first half of the year automatically goes to Heaven (unless they do evil deeds.) I don't know where that comes from, but I'm safe haha!
 
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