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What is Hell?

rusra02

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Premium Member
I can see how one might think Jesus was speaking of a literal fiery furnace. But what happens to something thrown into a literal fiery furnace? The flames quickly consume anything flammable. Revelation 20:14 says; "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." It is clear to me that death and hell (or the grave) cannot be cast into a literal lake of fire, but they can be destroyed forever. Thus, I believe Jesus was foretelling in his illustrations that the wicked would weep and gnash their teeth when they face imminent destruction at God's hands.
Matthew 25:46 literally reads: "καὶ And ἀπελεύσονται will go off οὗτοι these εἰς into κόλασιν lopping off αἰώνιον, everlasting, οἱ the δὲ but δίκαιοι righteous ones εἰς into ζωὴν life αἰώνιον.
The wicked, IMO, will go into everlasting destruction or lopping off, as will the Devil. 2 Thessalonians 1:9 says the penalty for the wicked is "everlasting destruction", not everlasting torment.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I don't care what the Christian testament says.

To me, it is Not about whether one cares or doesn't care, but intellectually what does the Bible really teach.
I find there are people who think of a 'non-biblical burning hell ' as what the Bible really teaches about after death.
So, to me it might be good to specify to which hell a person is referring, rather than just saying ' hell '.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
To me, it is Not about whether one cares or doesn't care, but intellectually what does the Bible really teach.
I find there are people who think of a 'non-biblical burning hell ' as what the Bible really teaches about after death.
So, to me it might be good to specify to which hell a person is referring, rather than just saying ' hell '.
The Christian testament isn't part of the Jewish Bible. So I still don't care what it says. The Tanach teaches no such concept of hell as a fiery place of eternal punishment or destruction
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The Christian testament isn't part of the Jewish Bible. So I still don't care what it says. The Tanach teaches no such concept of hell as a fiery place of eternal punishment or destruction

To me one does Not have to care or don't care, but is the Christian Testament in harmony with the Jewish Bible,
I find that it is in harmony because both Hebrew and Christian really teach: sleep in death.
So, the Jewish Bible's hell is the same biblical hell as the Christian Scripture's hell.
Jewish Scripture and Christian Scripture agree that in hell there is only sleep because biblical hell is the grave.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
To me one does Not have to care or don't care, but is the Christian Testament in harmony with the Jewish Bible,
I find that it is in harmony because both Hebrew and Christian really teach: sleep in death.
So, the Jewish Bible's hell is the same biblical hell as the Christian Scripture's hell.
Jewish Scripture and Christian Scripture agree that in hell there is only sleep because biblical hell is the grave.
I find that they are not in harmony. I've rejected the Christian testament. The Christian testament portrays a lake of fire and this is a Christian innovation. Also Satan will be there, which is antithetical to Jewish thought. They are simply not the same.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
No. Anyone with even the slightest academic understanding can see that the Christian's testament is a mangled, poorly translated shadow of the Jewish scriptures.

To me the Jewish Scriptures teach 'sleep in death' such as at Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
To me the Christian Scriptures teach 'sleep in death' just as Jesus taught 'sleep in death' at John 11:11-14.
So, that academic understanding is Not mangled or poorly translated but in agreement the dead sleep in death.
KJV simply translated the word Gehenna into English as hell fire, what is lacking is clergy Not teaching that hellfire is from the word Gehenna, and that Gehenna was simply a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed and Not kept burning forever. False clergy teachings is what is mangled and wrong about a forever burning hellfire.
 

ronandcarol

Member
Premium Member
What is Hell?
Hell is eternal separation from God. And for the atheist or the unrepentant sinner, those that don't give a hoot about God in their lifetime, they will probably welcome that. But the best way to think about Heaven with God and Jesus is that they promise that there will be no pain or tears ever again. That all will be forever in Paradise. The lame will be made whole, the blind will see, the broken bodies will be new again.
On the other end of this spectrum, those that go to eternal damnation will get zero relief of the ailments of this life. If you are blind, lame, cripple or bed-ridden, you will be that way throughout eternity also. There will be no relief for you other than what satan promised you when you joined his team. All of satan's curses that he has dealt out will go to the lake of fire with him.
When you look at the drastic difference in those two pictures you should see the importance of telling everyone about the Good News of the Gospel.
ronandcarol
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Found your problem there.

No, Not my problem, because if I don't say ' me' or ', 'my', or 'I' then I get banned by the forum.
So, since I need to say this is how I see it, or my view point,etc. is Not from me but from the forum.
So, please eliminate, or ignore, the ' me ' part and refer to the referring of reference verses directed as to what is being said.
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
When you look at the drastic difference in those two pictures you should see the importance of telling everyone about the Good News of the Gospel.
On the other hand, your god offers forgiveness of ignorance. So by telling people of this proof-less dichotomy, you've essentially condemned them to hell unless they believe you and worship your god. You're preying on gullibility.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
...and to me what is 'heard' about Jesus is found in the 'recorded words' as found in Scripture.
The 1st-century Christians knew to leave Jerusalem by Jesus' words as found at Luke 19:43-44; Luke 21:20-21.
History does show the Roman armies returned after the year 66 returning back in the year 70, so Jesus' recorded words proved true that Jerusalem was destroyed, so to me I have No reason to doubt that the soon coming ' time of separation ' as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37 will also come to pass. The stage is set.

That's faith. Stay happy in what you believe

Yet still no first hand writings, no gospel according to Jesus. Kind of a big omission don't you think?

The stories of the Bible were selectively put together between 366 and 383 ad, over 300 years after claimed events. Most people dont remember what was on tv last week.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
What is Hell?
Hell is eternal separation from God. And for the atheist or the unrepentant sinner, those that don't give a hoot about God in their lifetime, they will probably welcome that. But the best way to think about Heaven with God and Jesus is that they promise that there will be no pain or tears ever again. That all will be forever in Paradise. The lame will be made whole, the blind will see, the broken bodies will be new again.
On the other end of this spectrum, those that go to eternal damnation will get zero relief of the ailments of this life. If you are blind, lame, cripple or bed-ridden, you will be that way throughout eternity also. There will be no relief for you other than what satan promised you when you joined his team. All of satan's curses that he has dealt out will go to the lake of fire with him.
When you look at the drastic difference in those two pictures you should see the importance of telling everyone about the Good News of the Gospel.
ronandcarol

What is the Bible's hell. The definition of the lake of fire to me is: second death according to Revelation 20:13-14.
Satan ends up in ' second death ' according to Revelation 21:8
Jesus destroys Satan according to Hebrews 2:14 B
So, then biblical hell is Not the a burning lake of fire, but ' second death ' which stands for ' destruction'.
Destruction as in the 'wicked will be destroyed forever ' (Not burning forever) according to Psalms 92:7

What 'eternal damnation of zero relief ' did Adam have but simply ' returning ' to the dust of the ground according to Genesis 3:19. A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
So, Adam went from non-life, to life, and ' returned back to non-life.
I find that Romans 6:7; 6:23 shows there is No double jeopardy for the dead.
It does Not mention death plus ___________is the price tag sin pays. The total price paid stops at: death.
In other words, there was No post-mortem penalty for Adam as there is No post-mortem penalty for anyone else.
Since the dead know nothing according to Ecclesiastes 9:5, Nothing but sleep according to Psalms 115:17; 146:4
then the Bible's hell is simply the grave for the unconscious sleeping dead.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
That's faith. Stay happy in what you believe
Yet still no first hand writings, no gospel according to Jesus. Kind of a big omission don't you think?
The stories of the Bible were selectively put together between 366 and 383 ad, over 300 years after claimed events. Most people dont remember what was on tv last week.

I don't even remember what was on TV this week. However, this is Not talking about God's memory.
The first century writings were completed by the end of the first century by gospel writer John.
John was Not alive in the year 300 or 300+.
The ancient manuscripts support Bible canon. The '66' books which make up the Bible.
The apocryphal books simply exclude themselves being out of harmony with the harmonious '66' books.
The Bible has harmonious corresponding cross-reference verses or passages showing its internal harmony.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I don't even remember what was on TV this week. However, this is Not talking about God's memory.
The first century writings were completed by the end of the first century by gospel writer John.
John was Not alive in the year 300 or 300+.
The ancient manuscripts support Bible canon. The '66' books which make up the Bible.
The apocryphal books simply exclude themselves being out of harmony with the harmonious '66' books.
The Bible has harmonious corresponding cross-reference verses or passages showing its internal harmony.



There are no original bibles, all are lost, the oldest surviving complete book was written 80 years after the original. That is the Catholic Vulgate. Most of the 200+ versions of the Bible don't agree with the vulgate so which is right?
 

MonkeyFire

Well-Known Member
Absutley unholy, you must be passive to it and not interact with it at all, and let it at it's own destruction and at the 666 of gone to naught. Live and let die.
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
...let it at it's own destruction and at the 666 of gone to naught.
I speak English, a fair amount of Russian, a little bit of Norwegian, and I can write and read Cyrillic, and both the Elder and Younger Futhark. Yet none of these in the slightest aids in translating what you're saying here.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
...
The apocryphal books simply exclude themselves being out of harmony with the harmonious '66' books.
The Bible has harmonious corresponding cross-reference verses or passages showing its internal harmony.

So the bible agrees with itself, do you not see the obvious flaw in that statement?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
There are no original bibles, all are lost, the oldest surviving complete book was written 80 years after the original. That is the Catholic Vulgate. Most of the 200+ versions of the Bible don't agree with the vulgate so which is right?

I find the apocryphal books simply eliminate themselves being out of harmony with the harmonious ' 66 '.
The ancient manuscripts are the oldest. So, No original Bibles, but the internal harmony in the ' 66' shows what is Not lost. The cross-reference corresponding verses and passages show even Jesus' recorded words used, thus Jesus could preface his statements with the words, " it is written...." meaning already written down in the old Hebrew Scriptures.
Since what was in the past came to pass, then the ' final signal ', so to speak, which is ahead of us is when ' they ' ( powers that be ) are saying," Peace and Security " according to 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 is going to prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.
Mankind has had thousands of years to establish peace and man's history shows man can't bring peace to Earth.
So, since man can't establish real peace, there will be divine involvement into mankind's affairs through Jesus.
That is why we are all invited to pray for Jesus to come as mentioned at Revelation 22:20 for Peace on Earth.
 
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