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what is hinduisms highest priority
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kaisersose
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The person part remains unclear. What is the size of this person? Why does he have eyes, nose and ears and a skin? It defies logic and is hard to believe and accept.
Because we look at the big picture? There is no contradiction at all.
In Advaita, Krishna = Brahman and so does Shiva, Ganapathi, all of them, without a hierarchy. It follows then then we cannot assign a single form to Brahman.
And by big picture, I mean Advaitins include Upanishads in scriptures.
That which is invisible, intangible,
without family, without class,
without sight or hearing, without hands or feet,
eternal, all-pervading, omnipresent, most subtle,
that is the imperishable
which the wise perceive as the source of creation. - Mundaka Upanishad
This is the truth
as from a blazing fire
thousands of flaming sparks come forth,
so from the imperishable, my friend,
various beings come forth and return there also.
Divine and formless is the Spirit,
which is outside and inside, unborn, not breath, not mind,
pure, higher than the high imperishable. - Mundaka Upanishad
kaisersose
Active Member
A note on the Gita verse 13.13. There are two ways of interpreting Anadi mat param.
Anadimat Param (Shankara and Madhva too, I believe)
Anadi matparam (as interpreted by Prabhupada and some others)
Shankara has a page long commentary on this verse. He observes that some commentators go with the second method and explains in detail why he goes with the first.
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zenzero
Its only a Label
Friends,
Discussions are always good, no doubt.
However they should be based on understanding that what are discussed are limitations of the MIND and only when the very mind is free of all limitations that the distance between TRUTH and the MIND dissolves. The goal of all religions.
Love & rgds
n.b. Find friend Satsangi absent from this discussion??
Discussions are always good, no doubt.
However they should be based on understanding that what are discussed are limitations of the MIND and only when the very mind is free of all limitations that the distance between TRUTH and the MIND dissolves. The goal of all religions.
Love & rgds
n.b. Find friend Satsangi absent from this discussion??
Namaste Zen
I agree with you in general. However, the instruction in Gita and Upanishads is that the knowable (which is defined as neither a being nor a non being) must be known -- and I agree that this is possible when the distance/separation between TRUTH and the MIND dissolves. Advaita sadhana is about that. But it is understood that not all paths follow the same course.
Om
I am not. Turya is achintya (unthinkable), by definition. And although apparently contradictory, Mandukya Upanishad prescribes that the ultimate goal is that Turya must be known.
Om
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atmarama
Struggling Spiritualist
Oh, very good
The Absolute Truth is certainly inconceivable... Although Krsna says in Gita 7.3: Manusyanam sahasrasu
kascid yatati siddhayi
yatatam api siddhanam
kascin mam veti tattvata
"Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection. Of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in Truth."
Hare Krsna
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St Giordano Bruno
Well-Known Member
I think not to give Hinduism a bad name. I think that is a pretty sensible approach.
Friend ZenZero
Almost all Hindu teachers teach that the destination is one, although processes and terminologies may outwardly vary.
However upanishads do distinguish between two kinds of aspirants: one kind equates the body-mind to Self and strives for pleasure and benefit for the individual body-mind alone. Another kind of aspirants enquire and come to the conclusion that the Body, which is made up of admixture of five basic elements, cannot be intelligent of its own. They naturally come to the understanding of interlinked universal 'karma-effect' that governs the body-mind. Upanishads say that different levels of scriptures open up for these two kinds of people.
But a friend tells me: We are inside the temple, now forget the paths, we adopted . Peace, peace and peace . Tad me manah shivasankalmastu .
Om Namah Shivaya
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zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend atanu,
Thank you for the response.
There is no disagreement about methods as there are as many ways as people.
One cannot cross the same river twice and so each individual's path is unique.
Since there is an agreement in the understanding that finally the destination is One; we can conclude that we too are ONE though appearances are different.
Likewise all religions are pointers to the same state and so *Sanatan Dharma* is unique because it is open ended to take in every way any individual takes towards the same destination and allows to evolve itself.
Love & rgds
Thank you for the response.
There is no disagreement about methods as there are as many ways as people.
One cannot cross the same river twice and so each individual's path is unique.
Since there is an agreement in the understanding that finally the destination is One; we can conclude that we too are ONE though appearances are different.
Likewise all religions are pointers to the same state and so *Sanatan Dharma* is unique because it is open ended to take in every way any individual takes towards the same destination and allows to evolve itself.
Love & rgds
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
It is just that the many other paths of Hinduism is more open about other philosophic perceptions of reality. I accept the Sadhana of the Vaishnava as a path that leads to TRUTH. The paths to God can look very different for many different people.
it is true that there are many names for God.
Yes, sankara believed it was a path to the "TRUTH" to worship Govinda. He did not only limit the Truth to Vishnu.
Adi Sankara also went all over India Installing the Sri Yantra to worship the Devi he also wrote hymns to Shiva.
Read what Sankara said about MOTHER
United with Sakti, Siva is endowed with the power to create the universe. Otherwise, He is incapable even of movement. Therefore, who except those endowed with great merits acquired in the past can be fortunate enough to salute or praise Thee, Mother Divine, who the adored or even Hari, Hara, and Virinci? -verse 1 Saundarya Lahari
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Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
Oh, very good
Manusyanam sahasrasu
kascid yatati siddhayi
yatatam api siddhanam
kascin mam veti tattvata
"Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection. Of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in Truth."
Hare Krsna
For some that truth is called Krishna, others call it Brahman. I like to call it Kali.
atmarama
Struggling Spiritualist
Thank You Zen and St Giordano Bruno
We have read dualistic scriptures and also read events related to Buddha's life depicting fierce opposition between the forces of immortality and forces of Death. This is also present in Puranas, which represent three forces: creative, maintenance oriented and destructive. Each kind of Purana extols a particular kind force out of the above mentioned three, depicting humiliation of the other kinds of forces.
In Brahman, however, these forces, which are prakritic (natural or mind based) are transcended and united. Brahma Sutra defines Brahman as that from which the acts of creation, maintenance and destruction proceed. However, Brahman is not an actor. Similarly, Upanishads explain how this Universe is/has two basic entitities: the Food (also called Vishnu) and the Eater (also called as Agni). However Brahman is said to be that which neither eats nor is it eaten.
It is therefore natuaral that reflection of the fierce opposition between the Food and the Eater, the Death and the Immortal, or Creator and Destroyer is common in Hindu debates. No doubt that discussions at Puranic level throw up a lot of arguments etc, but it is my understanding that these arguments help as pointers to that which is beyond all categories. Commonly Hindus can be seen to argue but rarely resort to hatred or violence.
Regards
Om Namah Shivaya
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RamaRaksha
*banned*
You have it reversed - God's real name is Truth. Follow a truthful, honest life & you will certainly reach God. Follow in God Rama's footsteps.
RamaRaksha
*banned*
The original question sickened me a bit. Where did this guy here that? From his pastor? priest? mullah? Have proselytizing religions ever said anything GOOD about other religions?
To top it off, this comes from religions who believe in heaven & hell - hell is a torture chamber, so what makes heaven? A pleasure palace? 72 virgins speaks of a bodily pleasures.
A Hindu's goal is Moksha - it is to do with the MIND - a blossoming of the MIND.
To top it off, this comes from religions who believe in heaven & hell - hell is a torture chamber, so what makes heaven? A pleasure palace? 72 virgins speaks of a bodily pleasures.
A Hindu's goal is Moksha - it is to do with the MIND - a blossoming of the MIND.
RamaRaksha
*banned*
I differ a bit on the Artha part - people like Bill Gates, JRD Tata may certainly seem to have taken more than what they need but because of the huge industries that they have created, they have given millons of people jobs - jobs that feed & cloth millions, jobs that pull people out of poverty.
Africa is a great example - for decades, billions of dollars have been given to that continent without making much of a dent in poverty. Today that situation is changing - how? by industries - new industries are coming up, giving jobs & that is raising the living standards.
Giving aid is not always good - it weakens people. For years america gave away food grains to Africa. The result - African farmers could not compete with such lower prices & were driven out of existence, resulting in africans becoming hopelessly dependent on food aid from the west.
Creation of jobs is always better.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend atanu,
Though did not find anything different than your response as whatever you have mentioned had been addressed indirectly in what had posted.
However would like you to share as to where you read about the events in Buddha's life depicting opposition between forces of immortality and death; since personally have missed them.
Thanks.
Love & rgds
Though did not find anything different than your response as whatever you have mentioned had been addressed indirectly in what had posted.
However would like you to share as to where you read about the events in Buddha's life depicting opposition between forces of immortality and death; since personally have missed them.
Thanks.
Love & rgds
Bandhu ZenZero
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_(demon)
http://ignca.nic.in/jatak077.htm
http://buddhism.about.com/od/iconsofbuddhism/a/mara.htm
and many other.
Similar story you will find in Upanishad when Nachiketa turns down all offers of riches, glory, and sensual pleasure offered by Death to him. Krishna is known to have vanquished the jvara forces of Shiva. Indra kills the vritta (tendencies) and nAmuci (death). Christ also is known to have overcome Satan.
My point is that in the realm of Mind (Gunas), the duality is real. But at another level (paramarthika) level the Mind itself is unreal -- being a product of the Self.
(But unlike most other scriptures -- to the extent i know -- in sruti of Hinduism, the Death is held as worshippable, as the highest who teaches and guides and who brings forth the immortal. Even in Buddhism, mara Himself is Dharma).
Om Namah Shivaya
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