What is immoral about casual and friendly sex between adults?

[ppp]

What is Rule 34?

Do your own research! Do you want a failing grade?

 

[Trailblazer]

I think that human opinions on the goals of humans are the only ones that count.

I believe that God's opinions on the goals for humans are the only ones that count.

That does not follow. If "best" is what God thinks is best, then that is merely God's goals and God's opinions about what ought to be. Creation does not confer ownership of moral agents.

Next time you create the universe and all that is therein you can set the standards of morality.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What is Rule 34?

It's a sarcastic observation that if it exists, there's porn of it. You should know that, as a former porn enthusiast.

 

[ppp]

I believe that God's opinions on the goals for humans are the only ones that count.

I know you believe that,

Next time you create the universe and all that is therein you can set the standards of morality.

A most pithy retort, I'm sure.

 

[Trailblazer]

It's a sarcastic observation that if it exists, there's porn of it. You should know that, as a former porn enthusiast.

Thanks, and I can see you remembered my sordid past, including the paper bag I smuggled into my coworker with those videos.

 

[ppp]

It's a sarcastic observation that if it exists, there's porn of it.

I think it is more sardonic than sarcastic, as it tends to be true.

You should know that, as a former porn enthusiast.

[blink of stunned surprise]

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Thanks, and I can see you remembered my sordid past, including the paper bag I smuggled into my coworker with those videos.

Of course, how could I forget?

 

[ppp]

including the paper bag I smuggled into my coworker with those videos.

My mouth literally dropped open. I didn't know that was a real thing.

 

[Trailblazer]

Of course, how could I forget?

So you also remember when I rented a video and it got damaged in my Beta VCR player and I had to pay 80 bucks to the store for it, and how my husband would have nothing to do with those videos, leaving me to watch them by myself?
He reaped the rewards of those videos though.....

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So you also remember when I rented a video and it got damaged in my Beta VCR player and I had to pay 80 bucks to the store for it, and how my husband would have nothing to do with those videos, leaving me to watch them by myself?
He reaped the rewards of those videos though.....

Yup. Lol.

 

[Trailblazer]

My mouth literally dropped open. I didn't know that was a real thing.

Context is everything...
As the story I told goes, my Christian coworker who was in his early 40s had never married and he had no girlfriends so once we were talking and I offered to bring some porn videos into the office for him and he was very grateful for those... Since we work for the state, I had to smuggle them in in a paper bag and then we did the exchange in his cubicle...

We all have a past life and it is nothing to be ashamed of so I don't hide it.
But in keeping with Baha'i laws I was a virgin until I got married at age 32 and then all hell broke loose.
I have stories, but I don't think it would be prudent to tell any more of them on the forum.

 

[CG Didymus]

Just because he said so? No. Is there a threat that goes along with those words? Perhaps an "...or else"?

God has his ways. For Christians, he makes them feel guilty. I'd imagine Baha'is would be similar. How successful was it in either religion? Amongst the people I knew, not very. Of course I didn't help the situation. Like that guy that started that "Oral Sex" thread, he says it is "disgusting". That's what belief in the Abrahamic God does to some people. Others, like non-religious people, just ignore the supposed religious "rules".

 

[thomas t]

No justifications.

no justifications? I can't believe it. Because abortion kills. Now you say that's not a justification. In my opinion, you're promoting a flawed approach to intentional killings. You're taking killing lightly, I think.
Blaming casual sex to be leading to more intended killings IS a useful justification to dismiss it.

Even in your own view, saying that some abortions follow casual sex is as not as trivially obvious as 'grass is green' but it certainly isn't far off.

So, if things are that clear: casual sex as leading to more abortions is plain wrong. Because of the rise in intentional killings that it leads to.
Later you said that traffic also leads to more killings. However, all participants consent, as I see it. Those who can't will agree later.
Justification done as I see it.

And in fact you agreed that no one morally obligated to donate their body to support the life of another in the case of a blood or organ donor.

this does not undo my justification as cited above.

 

[FearGod]

A: You're intoxicating.
B: You're amazing.
A: Sex?
B: Yes, please. I have till five.
A: I'll get a room across the street.
{pause for lingering kiss}
B: Any health concerns we need to work around?
A: No. And I test quarterly
B: Cool. Me too. But have had HPV
A: Not a problem. You'll get condoms?
B: I'll get the condoms. Latex okay?
A: I'm allergic.
B: Ok. I'll get polyisoprene. Lube preference?
A: Anything water based. And a dam. It will may me more comfortable. And get drinks and snacks. Salty snacks.
B: Will do. Here's my number. Text me with the room number.
A: You bet! {pause for promising kiss} We're going to have so much fun!
B: Feel my heart. It's pounding. I'd better go shopping before I forget how to walk. See you soon!

Ask Trump.

 

[ppp]

no justifications? I can't believe it. Because abortion kills. Now you say that's not a justification. In my opinion, you're promoting a flawed approach to intentional killings. You're taking killing lightly, I think.
Blaming casual sex to be leading to more intended killings IS a useful justification to dismiss it.

As you have already agreed, there are actions that can lead to death that are immoral and those that are not. I can explain why I think that causing a death is immoral in one case, and not in another. Why a donor can withdraw mid-procedure at will, yet a doctor cannot. I can provide my reasoning and my justification for the discrepancies between the two positions.

You allow killing in one case, and disallow it in another, and you do not know why. That is why rather than providing a rational justification for your position, all can do you do is repeatedly shout "Abortion kills". Your version of morality is merely a matter of personal whimsy, not a consistent framework of moral principles.

 

[ppp]

Ask Trump.

Nah. He is no better than God. Worse. Cause he exists.

 

[thomas t]

You allow killing in one case, and disallow it in another, and you do not know why.

that's not true. The donor may stop mid procedure because it's their own body.
Why that is supposed to kill anybody is a mystery anyway. The doctor could just go ahead and look for another donor.

all can do you do is repeatedly shout "Abortion kills". Your version of morality is merely a matter of personal whimsy, not a consistent framework of moral principles.

This is certainly not true. You make me repeat my stance that abortion kills, since you keep stating that I purportedly did not know any justification for rejecting casual sex when it leads to more abortion/ intentional killings.
Rejecting casual sex for its very increase of intentional killings is justification enough, Joe.

 

[ppp]

that's not true. The donor may stop mid procedure because it's their own body.
Why that is supposed to kill anybody is a mystery anyway. The doctor could just go ahead and look for another donor.

Are you unaware that people die every day because of donor scarcity? You seem to have a lot of opinions while being oblivious to the realities of the world in which you live.

About 5 years ago my neighbor directly across the street died from liver failure. She spent two years waiting for a donor. She needed a lobe. Not a whole liver. (And yes, we tested, and none of us were compatible.) She found a donor. That person few in for the operation, then withdrew their consent (as is their right) during pre-Op . My neighbor died a month later.

The donor's change of heart was unfortunate and heart breaking. But it was not immoral. Because, as you just said, "it's their own body." They are not required to consent to have their body used to support another person. And if they give consent, they can withdraw that consent at any time. Even if doing so inevitably results in a death. Right, Thomas?

 

[thomas t]

You seem to have a lot of opinions while being oblivious to the realities of the world in which you live.

this is getting personal. I'd like to ask you to stop this.
Furthermore your assertion about my personality is not true.
So lets dive into your example:

The donor's change of heart was unfortunate and heart breaking.

I'm convinced that, prior to the treatment, the patient agreed that the donor must have the option to withdraw mid-procedure, as heart breaking as it may have been.
So, two consenting adults here to be strict.
I'm convinced that the donor and the patient had been informed about which rights were included in the agreement and which rights were not.
This is what you seem to forget, but if you claim otherwise... if you claim that the donor drew back despite having signed a treaty disallowing them from withdrawing... please back it up providing clear sources.

Now back to the topic: when it comes to abortion there are no consenting inviduals. The dead never consented to anything there. That's the difference.
So I stay with my opinion: pointing to the rise in intended killings... suffices in order to back my assertion up that casual sex as presented in the OP should be avoided at all cost.

 

[ppp]

Now back to the topic: when it comes to abortion there are no consenting inviduals. The dead never consented to anything there. That's the difference.

If I am unconscious and dying from blood loss, and you are the only compatible donor are you morally obligated to provide me with your blood? If you start giving me your blood, are you morally obligated to continue until I can support myself?

From your prior posts I think that your answer to both of those questions is, No. Feel free to correct me.