What is in a name: Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?

[Kirran]

My belief = There is 1 religion, the religion of Love. Never you kill because the other believes differently.
[I do not believe in Kefar or infidel being less; just to make it very clear; ALL are chidren of God]
[If you can disprove the below are false verses [or interpret them positive], I will be happy. Because I wish to believe Islam is ONLY peaceful]
[I found them in a 5sec Google search, so I give you advantage of doubt to proof Google+I made mistake ELSE Koran did IMHO ]

1): IMHO. I know little about Koran. BUT knowing these 4 verses does NOT stimulate me [I just can't interpret them positive; and I am very good in that normally]

2): There will never be peace as long as TOP IMAAMS do not declare the below verses WRONG + Delete them from the scriptures

3); Asking the above question only shows to me that you are tricked or try to trick people into believing Koran is peaceful. [Unless 2): is done Islam is NOT]

Koran: 5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.
Answers your question

Koran: 8:12-15 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
Proofs you have been fooled/tricked [islam = peaceful/tolerant] or a Kefar [not knowing the Koran] or a trickster as described in Koran:9:5(see next verse)]

Koran: 9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (trick in war for deceiving and outwitting the enemy); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Proofs Islam has no respect for Atheists at all

Hadith 1:13-- "I have been ordered by Allah to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah."
Proofs Islam has no respect for others unless they convert to Islam [unless "fight" = share peaceful views about God; but this I doubt]

any thoughts?
[I believe now the POST is more accurate and give people 2 views, plus correct INFO to make a good decision]

Do remember that as with any Abrahamic scriptural compilation, the Qur'an also has verses which contradict these. So you can follow as you like.

 

[wizanda]

Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?

Because on numerous points the Quran is opposed to the fundamental core of Christianity, which was created by the Pharisees John, Paul, and Simon, whom all contradict Christ.

Thus a Christian by their definition is someone who accepts that: jesus the son of God is their Lord and savoir, who was crucified for the sins of the world.

In the Quran: 'isa was not crucified, yet it was made to appear like it', is not the son of God, and isn't their lord and savoir.


Both Christianity and Islam have been set up to fight each other, and neither are right.


Yeshua fits with Hebraic prophecy in the Tanakh, and was YHVH the son of EL Elyon (God Most High)...

Rabbinic Judaism has been blinded to comprehending this (Zechariah 12:4, Deuteronomy 28:28), unless they accept the Marvelous Work put before them (Psalms 118), and only the wise will ever comprehend it.


Christianity within the false texts have been purposely manipulated to accept Judaism as still a chosen people, that they're grafted on to; when the Quran is quite right they lost their Covenant for a small price (Zechariah 11:12-13, Matthew 27:3-10).

So basically all of this has been purposely created, that only those who read all the texts, and not look through only one eye might see this.

In my opinion.

 

[stvdv]

So you can follow as you like

That's my point "I do not like this Jihad thing so much, do you?". Better fight verses/untruth now than be killed later

 

[Kirran]

That's my point "I do not like this Jihad thing so much, do you?". Better fight verses/untruth now than be killed later

The primary meaning of jihad in much of Islamic discourse is the battle against one's ego.

 

[stvdv]

Probably because the Jews jihad less

I saw this quote got 2 x "funny". My feeling is that it's not so "funny"; I don't think the lady being raped 4 years in a row, would appreciate this being called "funny" [Much fake news nowadays, but this seems very real, no videogame. Then it's not funny IMHO].

So I will grant it a "Winner". Because it is true [sadly; of course happy Jews don't do it] + good additional info + Creative + packed in a 1-liner that you don't forget so quick.
IMHO

 

[stvdv]

The primary meaning of jihad in much of Islamic discourse is the battle against one's ego.

Aha there we are. That's why I make this point. Islamists still don't get this. I think TOP IMAAMS have to put this on the front page of the newspaper everyday until this false notion THEY have now [due to 1200 teaching different], is brainwashed out of their system. IMHO.
[and when they don't do this, Islamists might feel like having Card Blanche from Imaams; Westerns being against this doesn't tell them anything]

 

[Tumah]

Correct, but they do not share the same theology. The Jews, as with Islam, omit or forget Habakkuk 2:4, "the just shall live by faith." which is the cornerstone of Christian theology (not Greek philosophy). Jews and Muslims practice justification (if at all) by works.

How to Christian in 5 easy steps

Step 1: Procure Biblical Verse
Step 2: Reinterpret
Step 3: Write diatribe against all those who don't follow reinterpretation
Step 4:???
Step 5: Profit!

Hab. 2:4 says, "the righteous live in/with their faith" It doesn't say "the man with faith is righteous". Righteous people have faith. They may (and do) have other things too: they keep all of G-d's commandments.

So rather say it's Christians who forget all the other verses, except Hab. 2:4...which they interpret wrongly.

I don't think this Rabbai has much of a clue in saying that Islam believes the Old Testament. Islam has comprehensive abandoned it

I don't think the Rabbi meant that Muslims believe in the Torah. He means that they believe that there was a Torah that was given to Israel. They don't believe that we have the original one. But in theory, they believe in it.

as had modern day Judaism which prefers the Talmud

I don't think you realize just what the Talmud does or is.

and the classical midrash literature.

That's cute coming from a religion whose entirety is based off the midrashic interpretation format of interpretation.

Also it is a base libel to say that Christians worship the "Trinity." They worship God, of whom the incarnate Jesus was the "son of man", by his own words, and so just a man, but a man from a different place

It isn't libel (excluding the unitarians). You're just trying to add nuance to the doctrine of the trinity in order to make it less trinity. But unless your a radical Protestant, you're still describing a doctrine that turns one G-d into three.

 

[Kirran]

How to Christian in 5 easy steps

Step 1: Procure Biblical Verse
Step 2: Reinterpret
Step 3: Write diatribe against all those who don't follow reinterpretation
Step 4:???
Step 5: Profit!

I admire a man who can allude to South Park while in a discussion of comparative religion.

 

[Tumah]

I admire a man who can allude to South Park while in a discussion of comparative religion.

What is the allusion?

Edit: and who is South Park?

Edit to the edit: Nevermind. I see what South Park is.

 

[Rival]

Step 1: Procure Biblical Verse
Step 2: Reinterpret
Step 3: Write diatribe against all those who don't follow reinterpretation
Step 4:???
Step 5: Profit!

Step four is creating your very own Bible translation and selling it as 'the most accurate'. Then step five!

 

[Kirran]

What is the allusion?

Edit: and who is South Park?

Edit to the edit: Nevermind. I see what South Park is.

The Step 1: Something
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!

is a South Park invention, AFAIK

(Hope you're well Tumah)

 

[Tumah]

The Step 1: Something
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!

is a South Park invention, AFAIK

(Hope you're well Tumah)

Oh, I had no idea it comes from a tv show. I thought it was just a weird thing people made up.

How's the elephant?

 

[zenobia]

I am of the opinion that if Jesus had never mentioned the previous scriptures, there would be no mention of it in Christianity.

Jedster, the Apostles also referenced the Hebrew Scriptures (OT) frequently as they were citing prophecies contained in them that were being fulfilled in their day through Jesus and many of the other events, including the destruction of the temple as foretold by the prophet Daniel. Also the attitude of the Jews, during this time, was foretold and fulfilled in the 1st century too.
In addition to this, the Hebrew Scriptures include prophecies regarding our time and the near future. They also give us insight today into God's will and purpose as expressed through the life and times of the faithful ones of old (Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Judges, some Kings and faithful women). It also provides Christians then and today (especially as the good news about God's Kingdom was spread to non-Jewish nations) with insight into God's view about many things, valuable Bible proverbs and principles to live by.

So rather looking at the 'old and 'new' testaments as separate, they should be viewed holistically, as they truly compliment each other as inspired sacred scripture.

 

[Kirran]

Oh, I had no idea it comes from a tv show. I thought it was just a weird thing people made up.

How's the elephant?

It is.

Yeah, she's alright, hanging out. How's the vast and tumultuous brood?

 

[Tumah]

It is.

Well, I guess technically.

Yeah, she's alright, hanging out. How's the vast and tumultuous brood?

Tumahtous. You missed an opportunity there.

 

[Kirran]

Well, I guess technically.

Tumahtous. You missed an opportunity there.

Woah. I'm gonna save face by saying I instead gave you an opportunity.

 

[Apologes]

One of the reasons why Christianity doesn't align itself with Islam is the fact that Islam considers Christianity guilty of "shirk" and rejects it's central tenets. Islam also considers both Judaism and Christianity to be corruptions of the original word of God and consistently insults great figures of Christianity such as Paul whom the Muslims love to call a 'deceiver' thereby cutting the mutual tradition that helps bind Christianity to Judaism to at least some degree.

Add to that explicit warnings that Christians ought not to follow any revisionist prophets that come after claiming to have the right word of God as they are from the devil (a category which Muhammad fits perfectly) and you've got a pretty big wall between the two faiths. It is impossible for a Christian to accept Islam without thereby rejecting Christianity for the two are mutually exclusive.

 

[wizanda]

So rather say it's Christians who forget all the other verses, except Hab. 2:4...which they interpret wrongly.

Habakkuk 2 is all about a city built upon bloodshed, where they worship wooden idols, and that the people have been miseducated to make a false pledge to something that doesn't profit.

If it was even understood how Christianity was prophesied to be a deception; then at least could help them, instead of mock them for being uneducated, whilst purposely pushing them in the wrong direction.

In my opinion.

 

[Tumah]

One of the reasons why Christianity doesn't align itself with Islam is the fact that Islam considers Christianity guilty of "shirk" and rejects it's central tenets

This alone doesn't seem like a reason since Judaism considers Christianity guilty of the same.

 

[outlawState]

How to Christian in 5 easy steps

Step 1: Procure Biblical Verse
Step 2: Reinterpret
Step 3: Write diatribe against all those who don't follow reinterpretation
Step 4:???
Step 5: Profit!

Hab. 2:4 says, "the righteous live in/with their faith" It doesn't say "the man with faith is righteous". Righteous people have faith. They may (and do) have other things too: they keep all of G-d's commandments.

So rather say it's Christians who forget all the other verses, except Hab. 2:4...which they interpret wrongly.

I think that a corrolary of the "the righteous live in/with their faith" is that "the man with faith is righteous" because if a man with faith is not righteous, he will lose his faith, or he will be punished like Samson in order to preserve it. Faith is the gift of God to create God's righteousness, which is a sound Christian doctrine (cf. Jesus' parables). So your distinction fails; and Jesus emphasis on faith is the real winner, which the Jews fail to grasp, although not all of them as many Jews are Christian.

I don't think the Rabbi meant that Muslims believe in the Torah. He means that they believe that there was a Torah that was given to Israel. They don't believe that we have the original one. But in theory, they believe in it.

In theory? I don't think it is possible for Jews to obey the Torah today (no temple or tabernacle or sacrifice), and most don't even observe the moral Torah.

I don't think you realize just what the Talmud does or is.

Well I agree I am not a student of the Talmud, but I know enough to knoew that parts of it were so antiChristian that it had to be censored in 521 and during the medieval period, as the archtetypal "hate" literature, which is ironic given the Jews' own involvement in the manufacture of "hate" crime legislation today. Anyone for hypocrisy? It usurps the Torah in the same way as Jesus accused the Pharisees of usurping the law.

That's cute coming from a religion whose entirety is based off the midrashic interpretation format of interpretation.

Again I am not a student but I will agree that some so-termed "Christian" bible commentaries are no better than midrash. Gibberish is not exclusive to Jews.

It isn't libel (excluding the unitarians). You're just trying to add nuance to the doctrine of the trinity in order to make it less trinity. But unless your a radical Protestant, you're still describing a doctrine that turns one G-d into three.

I am a radical prostestant. I am neither a unitarian nor a classical trinitarian, but I agree to a trinity of revelation. The doctrine of the "Trinity" is clearly based in Greek philosophy. To impute it to the first Christians would be a mistake, and they are the only authorities on Christianity.