What is in a name: Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?

[Jedster]

That is debatable.

Of course, all opinions are debatable. I just gave mine, which is what 'interfaith discussion' is all about.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Probably because the Jews jihad less.

Exactly.

 

[Shaul]

The primary meaning of jihad in much of Islamic discourse is the battle against one's ego.

I’m sure that is great comfort to those that have, as a result of jihad, been killed.

 

[shunyadragon]

Maybe you don't understand that we Christians have a more metaphysical concept of God (think of Plato's demiurge)...so we consider the God of the OT something purely allegorical.
Also because God's history and man's history are the same thing.

I understand fully the claims of Christianity, but your response is bypassing key issues of the differences in the monotheistic theology of Judaism, Islam and the Baha'i Faith versus Christian Trinitarianism.

 

[stvdv]

Anything past this is but conjecture based on your admitted limitation of what you know about Islamic theology.

I am humble, so I tell "I am not an expert in Koran". But I am also not stupid, so I can read and know which verses are cruel.

I would have appreciated if you could have given a positive explanation of the 3 verses from the Koran and 1 from the Hadith.

I do have my own explanation. The experts agree that there is indeed a lot of violence in the verses of the Koran. So it is not my conjecturing.
You telling "it's just my conjecture" tells me that you are not truthfull. Especially because I asked you to explain if I understood wrong.

I like honesty, also being honest if your religious books contain violence. Telling it's my conjecture is a lie. Peace starts when lies stop.

Below is the proof Koran + Bible have violent verses: comparison Koran versus Bible, which has the most violent verses [absolute/percentage]:
Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?

And below is nice 3min YouTube experiment:
Tell the people you read from Koran, but it is a Bible with Koran cover. Very nice experiment proving at least the Bible also has cruel verses.

 

[Sakeenah]

I would like to begin this thread with the following video:

Thoughts?

He is right, Muslims worship the same God as the Jewish people.
I personally don't feel embarrassed
to say I worship the same God as Jews and Christians.

He's incorrect in regards to that a lot of us are terroristic, out for blood , mean and ruthless. The majority of us are peaceful and don't hate Jews.
The Rabbi sounds quite ignorant in regards to Muslims..I mean he keeps saying Arabs as if all Muslims are Arabs.

 

[Augustus]

Also, what say you about the Arab Christians who refer to God as Allah, while referring to Jesus as Yasu?

Arabic Christian use of the term Allah predates Islam.

The 'Biblical' content of the Quran arrived via the Syriac Christian tradition, rather than Hebrew, Greek, etc.

Arabic speaking Christians lived in a state of diglossia, wherein they used Arabic for common everyday purposes and Aramaic (probably Syriac) for liturgical and religious purposes.18 It is they who were the cultural agents, this study argues, absorbing various elements of the Aramaic Gospel Traditions into the oral tradition of pre-Islamic Arabia, elements that eventually entered into the Qur’ān’s milieu. Badawi - The Quran and the Aramaic Gospel traditions

So what was understood in Arabia by the use of allah? Firstly, the word seems to be employed to denote a specific god as in the Qaryat al-Faw in- scription, invoked next to other gods. Also, it would appear that it can be understood as ‘the specific god in context’...
The use of allah (next to ar-rahman) as personal/generic name for the One God in the Qur#an can be explained by its use in Arabic proper. There is, however, a good possibility that the prominence of Syriac allaha and its near homophony positively influenced the use of allah in the Qur#an. That is to say, we find allah in the Qur#an not only because it was the most ‘fitting’ word to be used,58 in spite of or because of allah’s prominent position within pre-islamic religion, but perhaps because pre-islamic connotations were more easily superseded taking into consideration that its near homophone Syr. allaha was already prominently used in a monotheistic context.
D Klitz- The relationship between Arabic Allāh and Syriac Allāhā

 

[Sleeppy]

And God said, "To each his own stupid."
And it is.

 

[Kirran]

I’m sure that is great comfort to those that have, as a result of jihad, been killed.

Why would it be?

Just as, why would it be a comfort to a victim of the Lord's Resistance Army or a medieval heresy trial or some of the more ruthless modern-day missionaries in India and Africa to know that most Christians believe Jesus was about peace?

 

[rosends]

is the rabbi wrong to say Jews and Muslims have the same God theologically? Also, what say you about the Arab Christians who refer to God as Allah, while referring to Jesus as Yasu?

The best way to explain this is the following:

Jews and Muslims share an idea of God, but do not have the same God.

Jews and Christians have the same God but do not share the idea of God.

 

[Kirran]

The best way to explain this is the following:

Jews and Muslims share an idea of God, but do not have the same God.

Jews and Christians have the same God but do not share the idea of God.

Rosends, would you be up for expanding on that?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

While we Jews have much in common with Muslims, the Bible testaments, both written by Jews, speak of a Messiah who will redeem the world, who is Jewish, who is divine. The Noble Qu'ran, in contrast, specifically says Jesus Christ is not the Messiah and is not divine. The Bible says the Messiah will be God/the Son of God, the Qu'ran has this as shirk, the absolute worst sin in Islam.

There can be some harmony between Jews and Muslims, but the Qu'ran and Bible cannot both be God's Word, since they contradict each other directly on these and other points, including salvation (hope Allah will save, trust Jesus Christ to be assured now of salvation).

Of course and that is the doctrinal issue that Jews and Muslims have.

 

[Rival]

While we Jews

As far as I am aware, you are not Jewish. You are a Christian.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Of course, all opinions are debatable. I just gave mine, which is what 'interfaith discussion' is all about.

True that

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I am humble, so I tell "I am not an expert in Koran". But I am also not stupid, so I can read and know which verses are cruel.

I would have appreciated if you could have given a positive explanation of the 3 verses from the Koran and 1 from the Hadith.

I do have my own explanation. The experts agree that there is indeed a lot of violence in the verses of the Koran. So it is not my conjecturing.
You telling "it's just my conjecture" tells me that you are not truthfull. Especially because I asked you to explain if I understood wrong.

I like honesty, also being honest if your religious books contain violence. Telling it's my conjecture is a lie. Peace starts when lies stop.

Below is the proof Koran + Bible have violent verses: comparison Koran versus Bible, which has the most violent verses [absolute/percentage]:
Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?

And below is nice 3min YouTube experiment:
Tell the people you read from Koran, but it is a Bible with Koran cover. Very nice experiment proving at least the Bible also has cruel verses.

The subject of this thread is about theology not doctrine.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

He is right, Muslims worship the same God as the Jewish people.
I personally don't feel embarrassed
to say I worship the same God as Jews and Christians.

He's incorrect in regards to that a lot of us are terroristic, out for blood , mean and ruthless. The majority of us are peaceful and don't hate Jews.
The Rabbi sounds quite ignorant in regards to Muslims..I mean he keeps saying Arabs as if all Muslims are Arabs.

Yeah I think he was a bit harsh in that respect especially generalizing.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

The best way to explain this is the following:

Jews and Muslims share an idea of God, but do not have the same God.

Jews and Christians have the same God but do not share the idea of God.

Then apparently Maimonides have it wrong then. Why did he okay the prayer for a Jew to pray in a mosque and not a church if Muslims and Jews do not have the same God?


Surely there is great disagreement between you and the Rabbi in the video.

 

[shunyadragon]

What an astute observation, now, let us expound on that and look at the theology based on the video.

It is astounding how many Christians are ignorant of Islam....

Jesus in Islam is referred to as the Al-Masih or "The Christ, also, Jesus in Islam has divine qualities that are so because according to Islam Jesus was instilled with divinity from God (as all prophets were). In Islam Jesus healed the sick, raised the dead, and made a living bird out of clay. If these are not divinely inspired actions I don't know what is.

It is not so much as ignorant of Islam as it is a different belief as to how the Messiah is defined in Christianity versus Judaism and Islam. Fundamentally Judaism and Islam do not accept the Christian belief concerning the Messiah. Christian would most definitely not accept the Quran's description of the nature and station of Jesus Christ,

 

[Apologes]

False. The Qur'an talks about the corruption of the original texts of People of the Book(s).

How does your comment differ from what I said?

 

[David1967]

I would like to begin this thread with the following video:

Thoughts?

Good question. Abraham / Judaism is the root of both Christianity and Islam. So yeah, good question. Maybe since Judaism was first (before Christianity) and Islam came some 500 years after Christianity, Christians feel more of a kinship to Judaism. And politically (today anyway) Christians and Jews tend to be on good terms. But I don't know. This is the best I can come up with now. I've often viewed these three religions as a sort of dysfunctional family.