Lorgar-Aurelian
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Let me ask you, why do you think Islamic armies were able to conquer Persia?
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What is 'Islamophobia'?
- Thread starter Rival
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sovietchild
Well-Known Member
Why? I didn't get that far. I only studied the history of Muhammad.
And you're still a Muslim?
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
Is there like a rule book or something? I'm not a historian.
Why did you convert to Islam? You said you were an Orthodox Christian before, right? What was your journey to Islam?
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
Lorgar-Aurelian
Active Member
Are you a convert?
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
Revert.
Lorgar-Aurelian
Active Member
Alright, is it alright if I start a conversation with you then?
Notanumber
A Free Man
If Allah had had any sense he would have chosen someone with a higher moral code to be his final prophet.
Maybe he was just trolololin.
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
The whole revulsion to pedophilia thing is actually fairly recent, and fairly western. Back then, in that culture, it was just a thing that you did.
Notanumber
A Free Man
I am more concerned about his savagery.
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
Just sayin'. I see culture as relative. You are born into a culture, absorb it's values by osmosis and as such your entire perception of reality is shaped by that.
Judging one culture through the lense of a totally different one, especially if there is a separation of epochs, will always lead to an incomplete understanding.
The problem is that Muslims are called to emulate Muhammad's every word and deed.
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
How was he so cruel? He freed slaves, didn't he not?
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
Yes, and therein lay the problem. Islam is a freezframe of an out of place and out of time culture that by it's very nature subsumes all other cultures in its path.
You need not understand fully the biology of a rat to know you don't want it in your home.
Notanumber
A Free Man
"Muhammad is a narcissist, a pedophile, a mass murderer,
a terrorist, a misogynist, a lecher, a cult leader, a madman
a rapist, a torturer, an assassin and a looter."
Former Muslim Ali Sina offered $50,000 to anyone
who could prove this wrong based on Islamic texts.
The reward has gone unclaimed.
Are you going to claim the reward?
The Life of Muhammad
Chev Chelios
Member
An utter fallacious argument if you truly believe in the divinity of the prophet who's example you follow & the god you believe in! Otherwise you would not apply the same criteria to fallable humans to that of alleged prophets of god.
What was acceptable in society in antiquity is completely irrelevant to this debate - cultural evolution of humans does not hold up as an excuse when questioning the morality of gods. I take no issue with a 7th century Arab taking a child bride if this was the custom of the time - primitive humans indulged in many practices that were not considered wrong at that time -but we eventually developed to realise they were. No - I take issue with the God of Islam specifically selecting a 6 year old to be the bride of his prophet when he would have know sex & marriage to children is wrong.
Surely we can agree that the morality of a god is infinite, it is not bound to timelines, it does not evolve, it does not change & it does not make exceptions. So why did the god of Islam allow his prophet to indulge in clear paedophillic practices knowing it was wrong? Especially when this was being apparently set up as the perfect religion with the example of Mohammed to be the perfect example to be followed for ALL time.
Knowing this means that I can say with absolute certainty that the God of Islam would allow such practices in 2017 unless anyone can point to Islamic scripture which makes it clear that the marriage of Mohammed to a child was NOT an example to be followed and which sets out the context for why this particularly odious union was allowed. As far as I know no such texts exist so Moslems need to come up with a better argument than one which says humans had sex with little girls at the time so our God let our prophet do it too!
All this is so very important because what is it that we see in the Moslem majority lands? Terrifyingly we see the highest rates of child brides - with many people clearly using the example of Mohammed as well as Islams holy texts to justify the sanctioning of these appalling acts. Isn't the age of consent in Islam the moment of menarche? This is a global average of about 11 - but some girls start as early as 9.
This is a very frightening, sickening aspect of Islam and rather than argue it or make excuses for it I feel Moslems would be much better served fighting it!
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