What is it with the Guns?

[Revoltingest]

Don't forget the potential effect that natural disasters can have, like Katrina.

Aye, government not only didn't prepare for it, they ignored & actively abused many of the victims.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't know. I've shot plenty of guns in my life. Never once did it feel like freedom to me. Felt sort of boring, except for the skeet.

I used to shoot competitively.
It became work.
Now I've no desire to shoot....even skeet or trap.
But if I ever need to, I can.

 

[dust1n]

And I truly hope you, your children, and your children's children never have to understand my statement.

Why, are you veteran or something?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Unless you would rather to fend off any desperate and hungry crowds after your beans.

I could always throw tins of beans at the attackers I suppose.

 

[dust1n]

I used to shoot competitively.
It became work.
Now I've no desire to shoot....even skeet or trap.
But if I ever need to, I can.

I'd shoot guns again at a range again if the opportunity presented itself. I mean, I'd never go out of my way to go to a gun range. I wouldn't bring a kid to one because the lead. Just seems strange the notion of freedom being attached to holding and shooting a target with a gun. Perhaps different conceptions? Generally I get a sense of freedom when I go about my day, generally when no one is forcing me to do anything with my time.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'd shoot guns again at a range again if the opportunity presented itself. I mean, I'd never go out of my way to go to a gun range. I wouldn't bring a kid to one because the lead. Just seems strange the notion of freedom being attached to holding and shooting a target with a gun. Perhaps different conceptions? Generally I get a sense of freedom when I go about my day, generally when no one is forcing me to do anything with my time.

A good modern indoor range will have special ventilation to deal with the lead (from the bullets hitting the backstop) & mercury (from the primers).

 

[dust1n]

A good modern indoor range will have special ventilation to deal with the lead (from the bullets hitting the backstop) & mercury (from the primers).

Shoot indoors? Do they allow me to bring in empty beer cans?

 

[Revoltingest]

Shoot indoors? Do they allow me to bring in empty beer cans?

Prolly not.
Guns & alcohol.....I'd never tolerate the 2 at one venue.

 

[BSM1]

Why, are you veteran or something?

Yes. And my father, along with most of the fathers of the kids of my generation, fought in WWII. They looked the unimaginable threat to freedom in the eye and they did what they had to do. We live in a very cushy world and we have forgotten what could be when we lose our vigilance. BTW, today is Pearl Harbor Day. Hand salute.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

A good modern indoor range will have special ventilation to deal with the lead (from the bullets hitting the backstop) & mercury (from the primers).

Indoor ranges are for sissies.

 

[BSM1]

I could always throw tins of beans at the attackers I suppose.

As long as it's registered and you have had a government run training course.

 

[Revoltingest]

Indoor ranges are for sissies.

I'm a sissy....& proud of it, bub!
For smallbore & handguns, indoor is great.
But for high power, only outdoor is practical.

 

[Revoltingest]

I could always throw tins of beans at the attackers I suppose.

Or.........eat the beans, & gas'm.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

As long as it's registered and you have had a government run training course.

There aren't any courses currently but it could be a business opportunity I suppose.

 

[Ultimatum]

You'd have to read the threads for the civilian perspective.
But for us pro-gun types....
- We have a constitutional right to them.
- They're useful for self-defense, hunting, sport, & collecting.
- They feel like liberty.

1) No one getting shot cares about your socially constructed rights.
2) Self-defense could come in other forms--specifically in forms that don't have the potential to easily kill with.
3) Well meme'd.

Dang it...you took the words right out of my mouth: "They feel like liberty". I guess you have to understand what real freedom means, and costs, to get it.

You don't have freedom though. Its just that you've convinced yourself that the social construct of owning a gun around you constitutes "freedom".

 

[Ultimatum]

And my being unarmed is an improvement on the situation?

Mutual destruction, right?
Nukes or bombs?

You mean to say that because having a gun won't prevent all assaults,
that I should go without? That's like saying don't wear a seat belt because
you might die anyway.

This is true--such a shame that you live in a country that requires a gun to feel freedom and safety.

Bad guys will obey gun bans?
I don't think so.
They're already bent on crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunism

When the environment and surrounding are more favourable, the deed is more likely.

 

[Revoltingest]

1) No one getting shot cares about your socially constructed rights.

A great many don't care about my rights.
That is my job.

2) Self-defense could come in other forms--specifically in forms that don't have the potential to easily kill with.

True, but I don't want to be the fool who brings the proverbial knife to a gunfight.

3) Well meme'd.

Just don't ever accuse me of miming, lest me terrible wrath be unleashed upon thee!

You don't have freedom though. Its just that you've convinced yourself that the social construct of owning a gun around you constitutes "freedom".

Or have you convinced yourself that being unarmed with total dependence upon a protective government is freedom?

 

[BSM1]

There aren't any courses currently but it could be a business opportunity I suppose.

Spoken like a true Capitalist.

 

[Revoltingest]

Mutual destruction, right?
Nukes or bombs?

That's a political-military strategy.
Self defense is different.
But there is the tendency for perps to prefer low hanging fruit, ie, unarmed victims whose status is known in advance.

This is true--such a shame that you live in a country that requires a gun to feel freedom and safety.

To say it's required is a stretch.
But I say it's a shame that to feel free, many feel they must be disarmed, & place all trust in government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunism
When the environment and surrounding are more favourable, the deed is more likely.

This seems a non-sequiter.
What do you mean?

 

[dust1n]

Yes. And my father, along with most of the fathers of the kids of my generation, fought in WWII. They looked the unimaginable threat to freedom in the eye and they did what they had to do. We live in a very cushy world and we have forgotten what could be when we lose our vigilance. BTW, today is Pearl Harbor Day. Hand salute.

Vietnam?