What is Male???

[dybmh]

In the last thread I went with female=beauty+power. For this thread I'll go with male=stoic+power. They're both powers.

Maybe those are stupid answers. For me feminine is defined by curves. Not just physical curves, but those are nice too. But also intellectual curves. Mystery, they keep you guessing, and laughing, and surprising. Masculine is more about consistency, and regiment; straight lines and sharp corners.

There's also something about feminine that is present, and masculine is aloof.

So, I would amend my answers in that way:

Female is curvy, mysterious, funny, surprising, and present. A beautiful power.
Male is straight, sharp, serious, consistent, and aloof. A stoic power.

 

[VoidCat]

In the last thread I went with female=beauty+power. For this thread I'll go with male=stoic+power. They're both powers.

Maybe those are stupid answers. For me feminine is defined by curves. Not just physical curves, but those are nice too. But also intellectual curves. Mystery, they keep you guessing, and laughing, and surprising. Masculine is more about consistency, and regiment; straight lines and sharp corners.

There's also something about feminine that is present, and masculine is aloof.

So, I would amend my answers in that way:

Female is curvy, mysterious, funny, surprising, and present. A beautiful power.
Male is straight, sharp, serious, consistent, and aloof. A stoic power.

Interesting response. I like it

 

[The Hammer]

A sperm producer.

So an infertile person is not gendered?

I'll remember that when I meet a menopausal person, or a testicle haver without sperm.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So an infertile person is not gendered?

I'll remember that when I meet a menopausal person, or a testicle haver without sperm.

That argument is really quite silly and I don't know why people use it .A "menopausal person" is obviously a female. A "testicle haver without sperm" is a male who has some kind of health problem or is taking some drug that prevents their testes from functioning normally.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

But the OP didn't mention "biological sense." And therefore I haven't restricted my answers to the biological sense. Why have you?

And I'm serious about that last question: it may well be that you do not refer to yourself as male, but always as "trans-male." If that is the case, then that is entirely your prerogative, but I'm not a fan of hyphenated identities. I got in trouble with the Canadian government once, because I refused to select one of their options for my identity as a Canadian -- the long-form census at the time always included a prefix (French-Canadian, Italo-Canadian, etc.), and I wrote in "just Canadian." (As it happens, since I had no idea of my ancestry at the time, that was the only possible honest answer.)

Therefore, I don't need to have people tell me whether they are trans- or cis-, because I don't care. As I don't plan to be engaging in any sexual activity with anyone other than my long-term partner, it is a matter of no interest, so I'll just take a response of "I'm a man, and my pronouns are he and him," or "I'm a woman, and my pronouns are she and her." If you're dressed like a man, with a beard or mustache on your face and present yourself as a man -- good enough for me. And if you happen to wander into the same bathroom I'm in, I don't care very much. I've nothing particularly interesting to look at anyway.

@Saint Frankenstein, I've known trans people since before you were born. I'm not fussed about it.

So because you personally never need to distinguish the sex of somebody doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t be useful for others? I personally do like to know the sex of people I’m talking to, and if they are a trans-woman that’s fine, but I’d like to know that it’s their gender that’s a woman and not their sex. Just because sex and gender are separate things, why does that make sex obsolete and never to be mentioned?

 

[The Hammer]

That argument is really quite silly and I don't know why people use it .A "menopausal person" is obviously a female. A "testicle haver without sperm" is a male who has some kind of health problem or is taking some drug that prevents their testes from functioning normally.

K.

And the argument that a male "creates sperm" is also quite silly. By your own standards.

A person who "creates sperm" is not always male. Because not all males create sperm, medical condition or not.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

K.

And the argument that a male "creates sperm" is also quite silly. By your own standards.

A person who "creates sperm" is not always male. Because not all males create sperm, medical condition or not.

Isn’t having the sex organs to produce sperm but being unable to by default a medical condition? It’s a failed organ function.

 

[The Hammer]

Isn’t having the sex organs to produce sperm but being unable to by default a medical condition? It’s a failed organ function.

I don't think that changes whether or not person feels male or female though.

I've got a non-functioning kidney (not seriously), I still feel human.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

K.

And the argument that a male "creates sperm" is also quite silly. By your own standards.

A person who "creates sperm" is not always male. Because not all males create sperm, medical condition or not.

Your statements don't follow. How is a male not being able to make sperm mean that non-males make sperm??? Maybe there is a miscommunication.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I don't think that changes whether or not person feels male or female though.

I've got a non-functioning kidney (not seriously), I still feel human.

Sorry, I think I must’ve misunderstood what you were arguing. I thought you were suggesting that the sexual identity of male is not concrete enough to be relevant.

 

[Shaul]

A male is a creature with male chromosomes which in animals is a Y chromosome in their genome.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

So because you personally never need to distinguish the sex of somebody doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t be useful for others? I personally do like to know the sex of people I’m talking to, and if they are a trans-woman that’s fine, but I’d like to know that it’s their gender that’s a woman and not their sex. Just because sex and gender are separate things, why does that make sex obsolete and never to be mentioned?

What reason do you have for needing to know the specifics of the organs under their clothing, unless you have some sort of plan regarding those organs?

 

[Colt]

With all the transgender threads on the forum, can we clear up what a fe male is? What makes someone a fe Male?

For me, it doesn't really exist outside of our minds. Penises, Vaginas, those things aren't gender, only sex. And they aren't synonymous.

There are only (2) sexes but a number of genders apparently.



"Male (symbol: ♂) is the sex of an organism that produces the gamete (sex cell) known as sperm, which fuses with the larger female gamete, or ovum, in the process of fertilization. A male organism cannot reproduce sexually without access to at least one ovum from a female, but some organisms can reproduce both sexually and asexually." Wiki

 

[The Sum of Awe]

What reason do you have for needing to know the specifics of the organs under their clothing, unless you have some sort of plan regarding those organs?

It’s just how humans have identified each other from the beginning of time, and other species too, you can see animal behavior can change when the interaction is between a male and a male, a female and a female, or a male and a female.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It’s just how humans have identified each other from the beginning of time, and other species too, you can see animal behavior can change when the interaction is between a male and a male, a female and a female, or a male and a female.

So, you are introduced to this guy at a party, you shake hands, chat for a few minutes about the ball game...do you really need to know what's between his legs to accept him as a man? (He is, by the way, a trans-man).

(If you answer is "yes," then I must suppose that you ask all men you meet whether they are properly equipped or not.)

 

[Soandso]

Meh. I don't dwell on with what exists between people's legs, personally. I judge each person on an individual basis and adjust that judgement based on the content of their actions/character. If someone prefers for me to address them in a specific way, I give people the benefit of the doubt and respect their wishes on the outset. I'm not looking to gatekeep people on the lives and experiences they live with - especially when they aint hurting anyone

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

A male is a creature with male chromosomes which in animals is a Y chromosome in their genome.

The Y chromosome in animals generally was only identified in 1905. It was inferred for humans in 1920, and only actually directly ovserved in 1959.

How do you think people determined "maleness" before all that?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

So, you are introduced to this guy at a party, you shake hands, chat for a few minutes about the ball game...do you really need to know what's between his legs to accept him as a man? (He is, by the way, a trans-man).

(If you answer is "yes," then I must suppose that you ask all men you meet whether they are properly equipped or not.)

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How do we know that is a trans man? Who is that? Just asking because that’s incredible to me.

To answer your question I would be okay with passing him off as man. I suppose it really only matters if things were becoming more intimate. So with a convincing woman that I’m flirting with I would like to know.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So, you are introduced to this guy at a party, you shake hands, chat for a few minutes about the ball game...do you really need to know what's between his legs to accept him as a man? (He is, by the way, a trans-man).

(If you answer is "yes," then I must suppose that you ask all men you meet whether they are properly equipped or not.)

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I wouldn't need to check between his legs, because I insist on a blood sample from everyone I meet so I can check their chromosomes. It's the only way I know to figure out how to interact with someone.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

How do we know that is a trans man? Who is that? Just asking because that’s incredible to me.

To answer your question I would be okay with passing him off as man. I suppose it really only matters if things were becoming more intimate. So with a convincing woman that I’m flirting with I would like to know.

Just because you're flirting with a woman, she's not obligated to tell you sensitive personal information. Now, if she likes you back, you're going on a date and things are going a certain direction, then that sort of information is appropriate. But trans people shouldn't be required to walk around announcing it just so someone who is uncomfortable with it won't find themselves attracted to us, because that's a fate worse than death. I'm not saying you yourself feel that way but it's a sentiment I see in some people.