What is Male???

[The Sum of Awe]

Just because you're flirting with a woman, she's not obligated to tell you sensitive personal information. Now, if she likes you back, you're going on a date and things are going a certain direction, then that sort of information is appropriate. But trans people shouldn't be required to walk around announcing it just so someone who is uncomfortable with it won't find themselves attracted to us, because that's a fate worse than death. I'm not saying you yourself feel that way but it's a sentiment I see in some people.

I will agree. I’ll admit I have no strong argument here. It is just different to me that people could or would want to identify as male/female in opposition of their sex, because I have no sense of gender myself: I am a male because that’s my sex.

Edit to specify, I have no issue with it, it’s just a foreign concept to me.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I will agree. I’ll admit I have no strong argument here. It is just different to me that people could or would want to identify as male/female in opposition of their sex, because I have no sense of gender myself: I am a male because that’s my sex.

Edit to specify, I have no issue with it, it’s just a foreign concept to me.

Or it's more that you don't have to think about it because things match up. Everyone has a psychological self-image. Mine was always male. I don't know why, probably some hormonal screw up in the womb, but there it is.

 

[syo]

Male DNA.

 

[Shaul]

The Y chromosome in animals generally was only identified in 1905. It was inferred for humans in 1920, and only actually directly ovserved in 1959.

How do you think people determined "maleness" before all that?

Still the Y chromosome. Facts are not bound by whether humans have knowledge of them.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Or it's more that you don't have to think about it because things match up. Everyone has a psychological self-image. Mine was always male. I don't know why, probably some hormonal screw up in the womb, but there it is.

Possibly. But I introspect an abnormal amount, and I feel like I have a good sense of self for that reason. I don't recall anything that ever made me think 'I am a man'. I suppose what comes close is that I may sometimes look for things that are masculine and feel (ever so slightly) prideful about it. If I see a little bulge in my arms, if I was busy in the yard all day and made my lawn look nice, my facial hair.

Would you say that sense of gender could boil down to what traits (feminine or masculine) people value about themselves and want to impress upon? I mean, even though a tomboy has masculine interests they could still value feminine physical (and otherwise) traits over those interests, whereas a transman might perhaps focus on their masculine traits and could have either masculine or feminine interests.

Did I make sense at all?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Still the Y chromosome. Facts are not bound by whether humans have knowledge of them.

And how did you decide that it's the chromosome that's at issue and not, say, genes?

What made you decide that a man with XX chromosomes but an SRY gene is a woman? Or did you even bother to think about cases like that?

 

[Shaul]

And how did you decide that it's the chromosome that's at issue and not, say, genes?

Apparently you don't even understand that chromosomes are what contain the genetic information.
I think we can safely dismiss your inputs on this discussion. Have a nice day.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Apparently you don't even understand that chromosomes are what contain the genetic information.
I think we can safely dismiss your inputs on this discussion. Have a nice day.

You don't understand the difference between a gene and a chromosome. That's okay. Anyone else reading the thread can click through on the link and see that you're making a fool of yourself.