What is mind? What is matter?

[Segev Moran]

I would suggest that they are aspects of something higher.
Something that transcends both concepts.

A similar question can be "What is matter, what is energy".
Matter is an output of energy.
Energy is an output of matter.

 

[The Anointed]

A similar question can be "What is matter, what is energy".
Matter is an output of energy.
Energy is an output of matter.

Which came first, energy or matter?

 

[The Anointed]

What we perceive through our senses, is information about what is solid(hard), soft, liquid, gaseous, introspective, and positional. Therefore anything that stimulates our sense organs must exist outside of these sense organs. Our brain is a physical organ that is DIRECTLY connected to our sense organs. It can only detect the outside reality through these sense organs. All sensory inputs are compartmentalized by the brain, to represent its best guess interpretation of what the physical reality looks like. At no time does a physical reality exist within the brain, physically. At no time is a physical reality objectively observe. We are all physical biological organisms trapped within a subjective perspective of reality. Only without our senses, would our subjective reality become an illusion, or even exist at all. With our senses only the reality that is represented by our mind is an illusion, not the reality that the mind is representing. This can be easily tested. Just cover your ears, hold your breath, and close your eyes, and the brain's representation of reality will disappear. Since it is the representation, and not the reality that disappears, it must be the representation that is the illusion, and not reality.

At the Macro level of reality, we are not talking about one atom and the space between the electron(not photon) and the nucleus. We are talking about a trillion, trillion atoms being held together by the strong and weak fundamental forces of nature. As well as the EM forces. Hence we don't fall through the earth, or any other solid object. Also, light doesn't reflect off of empty space. Neither are our sense organs stimulated by empty space. But you are correct, at the Quantum level atoms are mostly empty space. Claiming that because all matter is composed of atoms, and all atoms are composed of empty space, therefore, all matter is really empty space, IS AN OBVIOUS FALLACY. Water is a liquid, water is composed of 2 gases, therefore water is really a gas. I think you can clearly see the logical flaw.

The early Universe was certainly very hot. So hot that not only could matter not form, but even light(photons) could not escape the heat. But this Universe was never sentient. It had no purpose, or higher design. We are simply the product of order out of chaos, if you will. Our evolution is the product of trial an error, chemical evolution, luck, and the laws of probability. Considering the fact that 99.999% of all creatures that have ever lived on this planet, are now extinct. We are the prodgenies of a generation of survivors. Or, do you think there were no other Hominids before modern man?

The Space Station and all its intricate and complex ground support systems all evolved from the wheel, which was created by man.

There was no thought of a space station in the mind of the creator of the wheel, but over thousands of years and billions upon billions of creations that came from the wheel, of which 99.999% no longer exist, and each subsequent creation being an expression of the height to which the mind of the creator had evolved. Eventually, when all that was necessary for the creation of the Space station that had evolved from the wheel, was in place, the creator [Mankind] then said, and now let us make a space station, the first of many to follow.

Only and idiot would believe that such a complex creation came into existence without intelligent design.

How many universal bodies [The Sons of God] have been created, each occupying their own individual Space-time positions?

Mankind, who developed within the bodies of our animal ancestors, is not the end of the creation of God's Son, The MOST HIGH and controlling Godhead to develop within each Universal body, who is currently developing within the body of EVE, the great and pregnant androgynous body of mankind.

The Son of God evolves from the electromagnetic energy that was spewed out of the white hole which was connected to the Black hole into which the parental universal body had descended.

 

[Mukesh Sharma]

The mind is the forms and modalities of MINDING. It is not a "thing" supervening upon "matter," but a functional structure of materiality in action and process.

 

[Truly Enlightened]

The Space Station and all its intricate and complex ground support systems all evolved from the wheel, which was created by man.

There was no thought of a space station in the mind of the creator of the wheel, but over thousands of years and billions upon billions of creations that came from the wheel, of which 99.999% no longer exist, and each subsequent creation being an expression of the height to which the mind of the creator had evolved. Eventually, when all that was necessary for the creation of the Space station that had evolved from the wheel, was in place, the creator [Mankind] then said, and now let us make a space station, the first of many to follow.

Only and idiot would believe that such a complex creation came into existence without intelligent design.

How many universal bodies [The Sons of God] have been created, each occupying their own individual Space-time positions?

Mankind, who developed within the bodies of our animal ancestors, is not the end of the creation of God's Son, The MOST HIGH and controlling Godhead to develop within each Universal body, who is currently developing within the body of EVE, the great and pregnant androgynous body of mankind.

The Son of God evolves from the electromagnetic energy that was spewed out of the white hole which was connected to the Black hole into which the parental universal body had descended.

There was no thought of a space station, at the moment of the Big Bang, or when the first virus appeared on the planet, or when a billion other progressively irrelevant and unrelated events occurred. Was the space station designed by man? Yes. Was its design more complex than the design of the wheel? Most certainly. Was it intelligently designed? This is relative, and only determined when compared to a better or lesser designed space stations. For example, if the only car that existed on the planet was a VW, how would you know if it was an intelligently designed car? The creation of a space station was a necessary construction, to improve our understanding of space and our planet. You should be citing that it is the accumulated understanding of the scientific principles behind the inventions, that has led us to the building of space station. Not the inventions themselves.

Only an idiot would not understand that complexity is born out of simplicity. Even the most complicated math, is based on simple addition(1 + 1).
Everything in nature begins as simple, and becomes complex over time. This trend exists in the biological world, and also in the material world of man.

Are you seriously suggesting that the space station evolved from the invention of the wheel? Why not from the atom, the Big Bang, fire, or the virus? Maybe you can illustrate a progressive link, that can demonstrate how wind powered clothes dryers, solar-powered cigarettes, or a million other useless inventions(not creations), also contributed to the design of the space station? Simply put, the more we understand about natural phenomena, the more we can understand how to apply that knowledge in the material sense(technology).

How many universal bodies [The Sons of God] have been created, each occupying their own individual Space-time positions?

Mankind, who developed within the bodies of our animal ancestors, is not the end of the creation of God's Son, The MOST HIGH and controlling Godhead to develop within each Universal body, who is currently developing within the body of EVE, the great and pregnant androgynous body of mankind.

The Son of God evolves from the electromagnetic energy that was spewed out of the white hole which was connected to the Black hole into which the parental universal body had descended.

This, I'm afraid, is just gibberish, fragmented sermonizing, and self-serving made-up rhetoric Unless you ARE a God yourself, you have no idea if a Son of a God even exists, where he/she evolved from, what a "white hole" is, or how mankind was created. You are just as human as the rest of us. I don't suppose you would want to provide any objective evidence to support any of these imaginary claims? Or, is it only logical fallacies that you can assert?

 

[atanu]

I would suggest that they are aspects of something higher.
Something that transcends both concepts.

In my understanding, mind is of the form of collection of objects: mental and gross, that are of the nature of change and that delineate what we call matter.

For all above, we can say "I am conscious of this" or "I am conscious of that". But for the self that is conscious of all these objects, it cannot be said "I am conscious of the self as an object". So, the self is of the nature of consciousness, which transcends and illumines the mind, which is a conglomerate of objects delineating matter.

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[Willamena]

So you agree that what you perceive as a solid is only a state of energy.

"Solid" is the name we give to bits of the world that display particular characteristics. What someone analyses it be in its molecular (or other) form is of no concern to me as long as solid behaves like solid.

 

[The Anointed]

"Solid" is the name we give to bits of the world that display particular characteristics. What someone analyses it be in its molecular (or other) form is of no concern to me as long as solid behaves like solid.

"Beam me up Scotty!" Do you believe that one day we may be able to teleport that which you call solids along a light beam and reassemble it back to its original, [seemingly solid] form at the end of its destination?

 

[Willamena]

"Beam me up Scotty!" Do you believe that one day we may be able to teleport that which you call solids along a light beam and reassemble it back to its original, [seemingly solid] form at the end of its destination?

I believe in today.

 

[The Anointed]

I believe in today.

Oh I see! Lacking in imagination are we? Unlike the ancients who wrote about heaver than air machines of the future that would actually fly. Or atomic submarines, and flights to the moon etc, etc.

Did you believe in TODAY, yesterday? Apparently not ! Your mind seems to be stuck in time, there appears to be no future for you..

 

[Willamena]

Oh I see! Lacking in imagination are we? Unlike the ancients who wrote about heaver than air machines of the future that would actually fly. Or atomic submarines, and flights to the moon etc, etc.

Did you believe in TODAY, yesterday? Apparently not ! Your mind seems to be stuck in time, there appears to be no future for you..

What I said spoke to the limitation of beliefs, not of imagination. Imagination is unlimited.

 

[The Anointed]

What I said spoke to the limitation of beliefs, not of imagination. Imagination is unlimited.

And the present [TODAY ] is the limitation of your belief. It is as I have said; "Your mind seems to be stuck in time, and there appears to be no future for you."

 

[Truly Enlightened]

And the present [TODAY ] is the limitation of your belief. It is as I have said; "Your mind seems to be stuck in time, and there appears to be no future for you."

Your concept of the properties of matter, are imaginary. Your concept of energy is also imaginary. If nothing comes from nothing, wouldn't that be something? Not only is it impossible for nothing to exist in our physical Universe, but no one(except believers) is making the claim that something came from nothing. In the macroworld, it doesn't matter whether you believe in today, yesterday, or tomorrow, a solid will still be perceived as a solid. What will happen in the future, will still happen in the future. And, the only minds that are truly stuck, are the minds of the wilfully ignorant.

I suppose that a creative imagination can serve as a substitute knowledge. I guess it doesn't matter how applicable, relevant, or true an assertion is. It seems to only matter how well you can sell it. I think that it is YOUR presuppositions, that are limiting your understanding of reality.

 

[viole]

I would suggest that they are aspects of something higher.
Something that transcends both concepts.

I would suggest that they are not.

If they were, then I wonder why my mind could be so easily affected by 20 shots of very material swedish vodka.

Ciao

- viole

 

[lukethethird]

I would suggest that they are aspects of something higher.
Something that transcends both concepts.

Mind is a product of brain matter, plain and simple.

 

[Willamena]

And the present [TODAY ] is the limitation of your belief. It is as I have said; "Your mind seems to be stuck in time, and there appears to be no future for you."

Reality is the extent of my beliefs, yes. I can't genuinely believe in fiction.

 

[Segev Moran]

Which came first, energy or matter?

Exactly!!!

 

[Polymath257]

So you agree that what you perceive as a solid is only a state of energy.

No. It is a state of matter.

All matter has energy. All energy is usually associated with some sort of particle (photon, etc) although potential energy doesn't have to be.

A solid is not 'just' a state of energy. Solids (and matter in general) have properties other than just their energy, like momentum, angular momentum, charge, spin, etc.

 

[Polymath257]

"Beam me up Scotty!" Do you believe that one day we may be able to teleport that which you call solids along a light beam and reassemble it back to its original, [seemingly solid] form at the end of its destination?

As described here, almost certainly not. Light doesn't have a number of characteristics that the matter has.

I'm not going to give an absolute no, but the process would require encoding those properties, destroy the matter at one end, then re-assemble at the other end, using the encoded information.

Possible? Maybe. But not supportive of your claim.

 

[Polymath257]

"Solid" is the name we give to bits of the world that display particular characteristics. What someone analyses it be in its molecular (or other) form is of no concern to me as long as solid behaves like solid.

Yes, it's interesting that there are graduate level physics classes in solid state theory (based on using quantum mechanics in the study) if solids don't exist.