Would you like a hint or do you want keep guessing.
Did I miss a memo or something about being as vague as possible?
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What is more important for the future well-being of humankind: Faith or Reason?
- Thread starter Jeremiah
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Did I miss a memo or something about being as vague as possible?
Interestingly, you just did. I just understood everything you said without having to ask what you meant. Now, what's different about every other post and this one?
Stubbornness.
Gloone
Well-Known Member
Nope! I was just giving you a hard time.
... and with me being THE NICE GUY THAT I AM, I will just point you in this direction.
Rhetorical question - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rhetoric - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why would you mention rhetoric in response to something vague?
The point of rhetoric is to communicate effectively -- which is the opposite of what's been occurring in this thread lately by some individuals.
Gloone
Well-Known Member
Really. I haven't noticed. I just started following this thread a few posts back so thanks for filling me in. :sarcastic What kind of case of the crazies are we talking about here?
Haha, well I don't think anyone is crazy. In any case the conversation's already ended with an agreement to disagree.
strikeviperMKII
Well-Known Member
As my final point, I'd like to say that I never claimed it was rational. So finding that it was irrational was sort of expected.
Orias
Left Hand Path
LOL at you.
Let me make this clear, respect is earned not given, but that a debate for another thread.
Second of all, that is quit an assumption. I have loads of respect for anyone willing to share perceptions with me.
I fail to see any relevance to what I posted. I wasn't directing to cognitive disability to anyone here, it was a simple example of how, dependance is not always as it seems. To return with such a comment is only an insult and is evident as not allowing yourself to try and understand my situation.
They are all different values succumbing to one ultimate value. Logic is the foundation of perception. If things were not logical, then they would not exist.
Whats your point? You basically said the same thing I did. Or were you too busy trying to insult me rather than read what I actually said?
Heh, wrong shade of intelligent? I wasn't aware there was an orthodox form of intelligence. Excuse me for not automatically denying everything.
Orias
Left Hand Path
Psh, as if your mind is unable to comprehend abstract values and meanings of words.
Its not clear because you don't care to try and understand it?
Typical of Atheists to assume the role of Authortarian.
Why so serious? :sarcastic
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
She doesn't have personally invented English meanings. She uses the accepted meanings like about 90% of the U.S. does. It's really not hard to find people who use the correct and accepted definitions of most things. There just seems to be several on here that don't like to do that.
Zadok
Zadok
It is interesting how many define things and is hostile to simple logic. How could reason exist or happen if no one ever had faith in it? Faith and reason are compatible concepts not polar or diametric opposites. The problem of logic in understanding anything comes only by trying to use one without the other.
Zadok
Zadok
One doesn't need faith in reason. Reason is demonstrably useful....no faith needed.
ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
It's agenda, Z. For some, faith is a dirty word. Evenif they ascribe to a degree of faith, they ain't gonna admit it. Heck, I get the same way at times. Get myself into a hole and stay there.
Zadok
Zadok
It's agenda, Z. For some, faith is a dirty word. Evenif they ascribe to a degree of faith, they ain't gonna admit it. Heck, I get the same way at times. Get myself into a hole and stay there.
agreed
Zadok
Zadok
Zadok
So then - You do not have faith in reason or that which is demostrably usefu?
Zadok
I should clarify my definition of "faith" as strong belief in that which is not verifiable.
Reason is a tool which has been repeatedly verified as useful. So rather than "faith" in it, I have confidence.
While "faith" is sometimes used synonymously with "confidence", this thread is in a different context.
Example:
I have confidence that the sun will rise tomorrow, based upon the fact that his so repeatedly & reliably done so.
Another person would have faith that Muhammad is the prophet of Allah, solely because a book said so.
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Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Wait, you're not trying to say we're the ones hostile to simple logic, when it's actually you, are you?
You don't need faith in reason. Reason works. You don't need to believe in reason without evidence for its existence, and you don't even need to trust in it or have confidence in it. So, there is no definition of faith you can insert to make it required for reason.
Faith and reason are not compatible concepts. They are opposites.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
It's agenda, Z. For some, faith is a dirty word. Evenif they ascribe to a degree of faith, they ain't gonna admit it. Heck, I get the same way at times. Get myself into a hole and stay there.
We use faith in the sense of confidence or trust, but not in the sense of "belief without evidence", which is the meaning of the word being used in this thread, and that is why it's being contrasted with reason which is the opposite.