freethinker44
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How do you know? How is it possible to know that something can't be known?
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what is more likely?
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How do you know? How is it possible to know that something can't be known?
whether it spontaneously appeared out of nowhere or not at all because it always existed DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT that the least complex thing is far more likely and reasonable to be uncaused than the most complex thing.
I ignored your post because you called the probabilities "dead even" based on the fact that we cant know our origin either way.....
this is as mindblowingly absurd as claiming that a giant invisible monkey floating over san francisco is just as likely as NOTHING floating over san francisco since we can NOT KNOW EITHER WAY.
I am sorry, but how can I reason with you when you hold such beliefs?
Absurd? I shall disagree. I think he is being rational and reasonable. You are he who is being unreasonable imo. An invisible something is nothing. But the world is something, not nothing.
RIGHT, so your invisible god is ..... NOTHING.... by your own admission..
I forgot something
Ah! Right, according to you. But wrong according to this: For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. Romans 1:20
My personal belief is that existence is just too imperfect and has way too many signs of being accidental for an intent to exist behind it all.
If war and sickness were taken away, would it still be "too imperfect" according to you?
no, according to you. you are the one who claims "an invisible something is nothing" according to you god is nothing and his qualities are nothing because he and his qualities are invisible.... make up your mind. is an invisible something something or nothing? otherwise you are contradicting yourself
You wish! God qualities are evident. If you want to disagree....fine. I can not help you.
Sir Doom
Cooler than most of you
What are the probabilities then? Good luck with that. SPROING!
Both of those options are equally likely, yes. Depending on your subjective view of 'floating', anyway. As you say, you can't know either way. Believe what you like. All options are equally likely. Whichever one makes you feel the best about yourself ought to do just fine. I assume we'll all do the same. SINCE WE CAN'T KNOW EITHER WAY. Funny how it works both ways.
With reason instead of blustering. Whichever you like, though. I enjoy it either way.
dust1n
Zindīq
Assuming you witnessed it all 1000 times, than your chances would be (1/2)^1000 or as my computer says 1/1.07150860719E+301. I guess if you came into the room on the 1001th time though, it would be 1/2.
In other words... It depends on if you bet on 1000 heads in a row, or if you bet on heads one time after 999 heads were tossed.
dust1n
Zindīq
No, the most reasonable belief is that there is something then above the realm of 'things'. In eastern philosophy God/Brahman/Consciousness alone is real and 'things' are unreal. God is not then the most complex thing but the only thing. Matter is like a temporary thought-form of God.
My problem with that belief is what does a 'perfect' universe look like. I think this universe is a masterpiece and we think we can judge it by looking at our little dot on the painting from our half-inch away perspective.
look at the trees, look at the stars, look at your eyeballs, look at the bananas....look at.........evidence is all around us right?
Yes sir.
McBell
Unbound
No math?what is more likely?
Question of origin.
Are we the result of a long drawn out process(non-intelligent evolution) caused by an event(big bang) in eternal cosmos,(the space surrounding our observable universe) or are we the result of intelligent design by one or multiple eternal beings?
To me it is more likely that a non intelligent space surrounding our observable universe is the final frontier of existence.
I base my belief on complexity. In my mind one or multiple highly complex and sophisticated beings (gods/creators) are far less likely or reasonable to have come from nothing or always existed, than space.
What makes more sense to you? What do you think is more likely, and why?
If I could have one request. Please refrain from saying "I believe this, because such and such holy book says design, or such and such science book says big bang and evolution", and then end up sidetracking the thread arguing about the merits of said books.
I am asking you to leave your beliefs, bias and convictions out of this decision and simply choose with a clear open mind what makes most sense and what you think is more likely rather than what you hope and wish to be true.
THANK YOU.
How does one calculate the odds/likelihood/etc. with no math?
yes sir, our eyes are simply too complex not to have been designed/created, but the infinitely more complex eyeball designer is not too complex right? makes perfect sense....