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What is odd about the Book of Mormon?

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LittleNipper

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Humanistheart said:
Littlenipper, where in the bible does it say this? Jesus called people fools on many occasions. Either your wrong on your interpretation or jesus is simply a hypocrite. But that's an entirely seperate topic.
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JESUS unlike us was GOD made flesh... He certainly knew a fool when HE saw one.
 
Autodidact

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Watchmen said:
Steinberg (one of the greatest English authors of our time) said it - not me. See my sig.

Still want to vomit?
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Well, Steinbeck was advocating for the literary truth of fiction. I don't think he was advocating either for outright lying or post-modernist anything-goesism.
 
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LittleNipper

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Autodidact said:
Well, Steinbeck was advocating for the literary truth of fiction. I don't think he was advocating either for outright lying or post-modernist anything-goesism.
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Well, one can certainly make up a story and pattern it after something one is very familiar with. That is what I believe Joseph Smith did. And it did bring him notoriety and made him somewhat of an attraction...
 
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Watchmen

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OmarKhayyam said:
Oh really?

Do explain how the absence of children proves that sexual acts were never engaged in?:shrug:
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When people claim Person A is the father of children and the evidence proves otherwise - yes - that's circumstantial evidence that they did not engage in sex. Of course it's not dispositive, but it leans in Joseph Smith's favor.
 
Dirty Penguin

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And up this this point....none of the last few post have anything to do with the BoM. Are we finished with this thread?
 
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Humanistheart

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LittleNipper said:
JESUS unlike us was GOD made flesh... He certainly knew a fool when HE saw one.
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This completely avoids the question of where in the bible is the verse you claimed existed, and the fact that if it does exist jesus is merely a hypocrite. In short, you're wrong and you don't want to admit it so you tried to shirk any acknowledgment of this.
 
Apex

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Watchmen said:
The BoM has not been proven false. Rather, you and others simply dismiss evidence for the BoM out of hand. That's not a victory.
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Just let them stroke each others egos. They obviously have some kind of need to state that we are wrong, period.

I swear, a thread with FishHunter would have moved farther in 72 pages than this one has.
 
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Humanistheart

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Watchmen said:
The BoM has not been proven false. Rather, you and others simply dismiss evidence for the BoM out of hand. That's not a victory.
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You've been asked to post any evidence for the BoM that has not been suitably debunked before, and you have not provided any. You've made this claim before, perhaps this time you'll support it. I'll refur you to the previous posts you ignored before this thread degraded.


BalanceFx said:
??? I shall assume you mean this and the reply which is clearly addressing Katzpur's post and clearly not simply saying "You're Wrong, we Win."?

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1766887-post686.html

Honestly mate people have run up and down this debate and you yourself have concluded the stories have a truth even if they didn't happen.

Aesop's fables have truth as well. So does this post. Every episode of GI Joe and Thundercats had truth in it as well. (Being a cartoon and fictional the truth was clearly conveyed allegorically unless we are to believe the events of those cartoons were based on true stories)

One thing to embrace when you believe purely on faith, every day until the unfortunate day one finally dies is that you'll never know you were wrong. If an atheist is wrong then they'll find out and there is nothing worse then not knowing. (What was that allegorical story about in genesis?)
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Autodidact said:
No_One wins, as has been done in this thread, by showing that the evidence does not support the conclusion, but its opposite. That far from there being linguistic evidence in favor of the BoM, it is overwhelming against it, in that there is no evidence whatsoever of any American pre-Columbian people speaking any language related in any way to Hebrew, Aramaic or Egyptian. Or, again, that the tiny hints of a possibility intimated by Katzpur, such as that a couple of seeds of a form of barley was found in Arizona, does not help her case in any way, since she would agree there were never any Lamanites in Arizona, and the Indians who lived in Arizona were not Lamanites. Or that her own authority (LDS leadership) contradicts her assertion that there was honey in Pre-Columbian America, claiming rather that the BoM does not say there was. And so forth and so on.

But the conclusive point is that when Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Atheist and Mormon archeologists go into the field, and dig up America from one end to the other, they never find evidence of the people described in the BoM, and never conclude that they people they are studying are those people.

Despite the fact that the BoM describes millions of people, engaging in huge battles involving thousands of soldiers using steel and other artifacts that would survive in huge numbers, as well as numerous chariots, herds of cattle and horses, and other things that could not happen without leaving evidence.

Which is why Mormons are reduced to mere hope, asserting their faith that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" when it clearly is (that is, when you would expect evidence to be present) and ignoring the enormous presence of literal tons of evidence, all of which support a quite opposite conclusion.
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Watchmen said:
The BoM has not been proven false. Rather, you and others simply dismiss evidence for the BoM out of hand. That's not a victory.
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Humanistheart said:
You've been asked to post any evidence for the BoM that has not been suitably debunked before, and you have not provided any. You've made this claim before, perhaps this time you'll support it. I'll refur you to the previous posts you ignored before this thread degraded.
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Katzpur posted various evidences and they were simply dismissed out of hand - they were not debunked. That's not victory.
 
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Humanistheart

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Watchmen said:
Katzpur posted various evidences and they were simply dismissed out of hand - they were not debunked. That's not victory.
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This was said before. Balance provided an example of katz's posts being addressed; you ignored it. How about you provide a link to the sopposed post(s) of katz's that were not addressed and we'll look at them.
 
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Watchmen

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Humanistheart said:
This was said before. Balance provided an example of katz's posts being addressed; you ignored it. How about you provide a link to the sopposed post(s) of katz's that were not addressed and we'll look at them.
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That's not "addressing" Katz post - that's dismissing it out of hand.
 
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