What is Prakriti and its 3 gunas?

[The Crimson Universe]

but you will not remain. You will be non-existent. and IT was always quantitatively IT

Yes I'm aware of the Advaitic belief that I'll become non-existent once the 5 sheaths are dropped. End of suffering for this particular jiva named Greg. ;=)

I was just echoing your idea in blue. IT was always what IT was.

True. Once every nama-rupa are dropped, all that remains is THAT.
No qualities, no limitations.

Unless you want to accept that the mind remains. Without a mind how will you know that you are now the ocean and waves are coming and going as a part of you?

I guess from the knowledge imparted to us by the upanishadic rishis one will have certain ideas of THAT. This knowledge was in turn handed down to the rishis from above in the form of revelations or sruti.
... Not sure if the nature of Brahman (its waves and everything) can be known with the mind. The mind goes mute when we reach IT. The knowledge was probably handed down. That's my assumption.

 

[ameyAtmA]

I guess from the knowledge imparted to us by the upanishadic rishis one will have certain ideas of THAT. This knowledge was in turn handed down to the rishis from above in the form of revelations or sruti.
... Not sure if the nature of Brahman (its waves and everything) can be known with the mind. The mind goes mute when we reach IT.

So you acknowledge that the mind will remain. Mute or not. And when up there in the ksheersagar you will contemplate on what Upanishadic Rishis said?

I can go mute right now and experience Brahman.

That makes 2 Brahmans already. You and me.
That is VishishTAdvaita - but I do not like the labels or at least to think of them.

 

[The Crimson Universe]

I can go mute right now and experience Brahman.

And how would you do that?

That makes 2 Brahmans already. You and me. VishishtAdvaita - but I do not like the labels or at least to think of them.

Enlighten me on VishishtAdvaita, o wise man ;=) What are their beliefs on moksha? Do they mute the mind through meditation/samadhi or bhakti?

 

[shivsomashekhar]

So, how does Advaita interpret "aham brahmasmi" in your opinion?

aham brahmasmi comes from the Brhadaranyka Upanishad verse 1.4.10.

The full verse (translated by Gambhirananda) -

This was indeed Brahman in the beginning. It know only itself as "I am Brahman" (aham brahmasmi). Therefore it became all. And whoever among the devas knew it also became that. And the same with Rhishis and men. The Rhishi Vamadeva while realizing this as that knew, 'I was Manu and the sun'. And to this day whoever in like manner knows it as "I am Brahman" becomes all this. Even the gods cannot prevail against him for he becomes their self. While he who worships another god thinking "He is one and I am another" does not know. (snipping the rest)

A couple of things -

1. All schools of Vedanta accept this verse, but their interpretations will differ to be consistent with their broader beliefs
2. The above translation is by an Advaitin
3. Shankara's commentary on this verse runs to ~10 pages. The previous commentary on this text was even longer

 

[Viswa]

aham brahmasmi comes from the Brhadaranyka Upanishad verse 1.4.10.

The full verse (translated by Gambhirananda) -

This was indeed Brahman in the beginning. It know only itself as "I am Brahman" (aham brahmasmi).

Thankyou for this wonderful insight sir.

This "I am Brahman" is the first thought in creation, which is called Divine Thought or God thought or "Conscious of I AM".

This "I am Brahman" is the first thought thought and simultaneously Saguna Brahman came into existence. Whomever Contemplate on "I am Brahman" become Saguna Brahman, full blissful, full consciousness, full Love, full Universe, full 5 sheaths, but cannot realise the Self or Nirguna- Brahman by any contemplation or method or Shravana-Manana-Nidhidhyasana or Eightfold paths or Devotion or etc..

Nirguna Brahman is Me, Advaita, when one goes into silence beyond experience beyond methods beyond paths beyond knowledge beyond consciousness beyond thoughts.

Any path/method/contemplation/etc. make one reach only Ishwara or Saguna Brahman or God with 3gunas balanced or Ardhanarishvar, but not the Whole Brahman/Self, as it is beyond consciousness and experiences/thoughts/knowledge are all bound to Consciousness, combination of Purusha and Prakriti. "I am Brahman" is just a thought evolved from Consciousness because of joining of Purusha and Prakriti. "I am Brahman" is bound to Prakriti. Saguna Brahman is bound to Prakriti. Prakriti is a manifestation and never idle, whereas Purusha is idle always. The subject-Purusha-Experiencer can only experience the Prakriti (Ahankar-Intellect-Mind-Prana-Body-Universe) but not itself.

"I am Brahman" is the Ahankar in Antahkarana. Ahankar is the Individualization, and after that first "I am Brahman", the Individualization created a Pure Bliss through Consciousness/Antahkarana/Pond appeared, and from that Bliss Hiranyagarbha came and creation of "Vedas-Intellect-Mind-Prana-Universe" everything came about. From the Bliss in Consciousness appeared - to the small atoms/Sub-Atmoic Particles/Planck's length/Waves, everything is Thought - Advaitins call it as Illusion/Unreal. I first calling it as Unreal, but it doesn't makes sense because of many questions/views raised in another forum, so it is just Thought/Waves, which cannot be said as Real also not as Unreal, that is Maya.

IMHO, in my Profile Pic, the bubbles are the Consciousness and the first thought/Word came inside the Bubble is "I" or "I AM" or "I AM BRAHMAN" and one can still reach that thought in the cave of right heart, the space from where it arises and links everyone/everything in this world and the other, the Ashwattha tree said in Bhagavat Gita, and reach the Bliss in the way one thinks about it. Ifone thinks about it as Aroopa-like Shankara and Buddha, One reaches there (Brahma Loka) and experience the Bliss and attain Moksha one day and remain there Blissfully until the Maha Pralaya. If one thinks about it as in a form and as a devotee to that form or himself as that form, then one reaches there and experience the Bliss, the 10 to the power 20 times of happiness experienced by a man with money and fame here and attain Moksha one day and never return back to other four sheats and experience only the Bliss, in the form one thought/believe about, until the death of Hiranyagarbha.

But, No one knows/perceives the Self/Brahman without Prakriti, even Ishwara can't. Even God cannot perceive the Nirguna Brahman and only remains silence to all the questions asked about the Nirguna Brahman, where no word/thought/experience/knowledge/ignorance/existence/non-existence/anything penetrate as it is beyond Consciousness/Bubbles/Antahkarana/Pond.

Even in Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, it's clearly said that "Knower cannot be known, cannot be perceived, adrstam, etc.. One Can only reach the Consciousness as an experience, which is fully Blissful, but beyond it one cannot go/think/know/perceive/talk about."

 

[ameyAtmA]

Nirguna Brahman is Me, Advaita, when one goes into silence

Obviously.
The AvadhUta experiences Brahman by being Brahman and staying Brahman. It is an avasthA , BramhAvasthA, BramhAnanda , a very peaceful state, albeit a spritual-mental state.

It is like that phrase "the dumb (who cannot speak) eats guD (jaggery) and tastes the swaad inside, they have no motivation to explain how sweet it is.

But I think you are also making too many classifications and assumptions of other people's states or status or where they are. Repeatedly.

You presume that just because people are discussing something , they are on a "path" or a "method" or a whatever and you alone are not.

Now do not jump on this word "experience" and start putting it into boxes and buckets all over again - saguNa nirguNa inside bubble outside bubble bhakti seeking not seeking

Silence is felt, and no motivation to lift a finger is felt.

Just let it be. Let people find out on their own. Let people do what they want to do or feel like doing at a point. It can change and they will want to move on to something else.

Someone is going thru a silence phase, and a few months later they (the same person) are singing bhajans. So what?

Any path/method/contemplation/etc. make one reach only Ishwara or Saguna Brahman or God with 3gunas balanced or Ardhanarishvar, but not the Whole Brahman/Self, as it is beyond consciousness ...and attain Moksha one day and never return back to other four sheats and experience only the Bliss, in the form one thought/believe about, until the death of Hiranyagarbha.

So? At least they do not have to take birth in a physical body right?

But, No one knows/perceives the Self/Brahman without Prakriti, even Ishwara can't. Even God cannot perceive the Nirguna Brahman and only remains silence to all the questions asked about the Nirguna Brahman,

We all know that and the AchAryas long before you like Ramanuj etc. were very wise and well aware that we are in the realm of prakruti, no matter how subtle and parA prakruti as opposed to aparA.

So what? Why this struggle to get rid of prakruti? Especially parA subtle avyakta muLa prakruti. You cannot.
We are the dream characters in VishNu's dream even if some of us experience that "Oh I was this before or originally!, and now I am this!" That is also a realization given to them. Exactly like BrhadAraNayka said. So? Let them have that.

Even in Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, it's clearly said that "Knower cannot be known, cannot be perceived, adrstam, etc.. One Can only reach the Consciousness as an experience, which is fully Blissful, but beyond it one cannot go/think/know/perceive/talk about."

Then why do you keep talking about it ? It is futile.

Even within prakruti, the motivationless sankalpaless avadhUta like silence that one feels is a taste of Brahman. Good enough. At least it does not make them accrue karma. Good or bad,

 

[Viswa]

Obviously.
The AvadhUta experiences Brahman by being Brahman and staying Brahman. It is an avasthA , BramhAvasthA, BramhAnanda , a very peaceful state, albeit a spritual-mental state.

It is like that phrase "the dumb (who cannot speak) eats guD (jaggery) and tastes the swaad inside, they have no motivation to explain how sweet it is.

But I think you are also making too many classifications and assumptions of other people's states or status or where they are. Repeatedly.

You presume that just because people are discussing something , they are on a "path" or a "method" or a whatever and you alone are not.

Now do not jump on this word "experience" and start putting it into boxes and buckets all over again - saguNa nirguNa inside bubble outside bubble bhakti seeking not seeking

Silence is felt, and no motivation to lift a finger is felt.

Just let it be. Let people find out on their own. Let people do what they want to do or feel like doing at a point. It can change and they will want to move on to something else.

Someone is going thru a silence phase, and a few months later they (the same person) are singing bhajans. So what?



So? At least they do not have to take birth in a physical body right?



We all know that and the AchAryas long before you like Ramanuj etc. were very wise and well aware that we are in the realm of prakruti, no matter how subtle and parA prakruti as opposed to aparA.

So what? Why this struggle to get rid of prakruti? Especially parA subtle avyakta muLa prakruti. You cannot.
We are the dream characters in VishNu's dream even if some of us experience that "Oh I was this before or originally!, and now I am this!" That is also a realization given to them. Exactly like BrhadAraNayka said. So? Let them have that.



Then why do you keep talking about it ? It is futile.

Even within prakruti, the motivationless sankalpaless avadhUta like silence that one feels is a taste of Brahman. Good enough. At least it does not make them accrue karma. Good or bad,

I can understand it Ameyatma. But why do people gather here? Not for truth/realization, just to fight Advaita vs dvaita, and etc..? That's why all are here? What's the motive behind everyone who first start to came here, being here and will always be here?

You know that, even in old traditions, after getting diksha from Guru, disciple move away. Including Me, why we are here? For what purpose we came here?

Arguments and etc., made by Shankara, is keep on making people understand about Moksha and Sat-Chit-Ananda. But, not against Dvaita. Even Shankara too created Bhaja Govindham and many devotional songs. So, why people here gather here fight and argue? From this play in Spiritual Egoism what people achieve?

Do People gather here, only to attain moksha or Knowledge? Or to time-pass with people for entertainments and etc., like spending time in social media, for stress-relief from hectic life?

 

[ameyAtmA]

And how would you do that?

by not doing anything

Enlighten me on VishishtAdvaita

but I went mute remember? Sorry just kidding. I will be back. However, would like to say again that I do not like to pin this as VishishTAdvaita alone.
It is all a matter of perspective, and there is no need to split hairs.
One can say that if 5 avadhuts went mute then they are all the same Brahman. Or you can say - if they are wandering around in the nth dimension, that they are vishisTa points in Brahman.

My understanding is that each being that rises to a state of moksha , whatever works and sustains them, as long as it is peaceful and a safe shelter for them , wherever they are, that is all good.

What are their beliefs on moksha? Do they mute the mind through meditation/samadhi or bhakti?

The general consensus is that they stay with NArAyaNa and perform seva etc. See, these are given by the purvAchArya, VyAs, also BhagavAn (e.g. Uddhav Geeta - BhagavAn KRshNa explains various things including kriya - puja , 8 forms etc.) -- are not a hard and fast necessity. They are choices.
An ashTanga yogi not interested in vandana archana can be ontologically following VishishTAdvaita,
and yet from another angle you can call it advaita. The thing is advaita will not allow any other entity to exist, not as another not even as themselves. VishishTAdvaita is not like that. It acknowleges that a fellow yogi may be hanging out nearby and they are another expression of the same Brahman. One is singing bhajan another is in samAdhi. A third is engaged in some other leela - like DevaRushi NArad Muni.

 

[ameyAtmA]

I can understand it Ameyatma. But why do people gather here? Not for truth/realization, just to fight Advaita vs dvaita, and etc..?

You are not getting my point. No one here is fighting about advaita or dvaita.

I am saying let people arrive at the state they have to arrive at.
Each person is at a different point and different stage of spirituality. Also with a different taste.

We are here to make things work. Whatever works. For example, do you think Greg and I were fighting? We were playing chess to arrive at a point. Any problem?

We are here to never come back. Not to split hairs over how this is still within prakruti.

 

[Viswa]

You are not getting my point. No one here is fighting about advaita or dvaita.

I am saying let people arrive at the state they have to arrive at.
Each person is at a different point and different stage of spirituality. Also with a different taste.

We are here to make things work. Whatever works.
We are here to never come back. Not to split hairs over how this is still within prakruti.

We do not make presumptions like you do.

Now, It's more clear. Yes, from the statement s I read, it looks like people fight for play. Maybe it's my presumptions, but it looks so.

Can you explain more what kind of thinks we make work here? Shall I join in that work too?

 

[Viswa]

For example, do you think Greg and I were fighting? We were playing chess to arrive at a point. Any problem?

Amey, but whether you know you were trying to find a point by moving away from it?

Take the Chess. You are White and Greg is Black. Can you two both meet at a point? Either White Wins or Black Wins, or White Resigns or Black Resigns, or both mutually agree for a draw as couldn't find a point to meet.

Only in Silence, or in thought of "I AM" you two can meet. Peace and Bliss is the only points available you two to meet, and words/experiences/knowledge is always a moving away from it, creating limitations after limitations in finding a point and go round about, never ending.

I think, only when you two gets exhausted in search, you two might meet in the mutual agreement of draw as couldn't find one point, and then in that draw, a Bliss/Peace is the meeting point beyond words/knowledge. Like Yin and Yang, where White in Black and Black in White.

I feel, even after exhaustions, you two won't mutually agree for stop your search, but keep on bringing up energy and new thoughts, and again start to search, and again move far away from the point. Unless One outside from you two, like an arbiter like Viswa/someone, comes and shows you what you two are doing, I feel you might not stop your search in moving away from that point.

Now, you read the above words, and you will say "Oh. Let us try ourselves own and find it out". Yeah, it's all your wish, I'm not against any kind of play. But in all words you/other speak, you just move away from the point far and far, and when you two exhaust you two come near and near and meet at Bliss/Peace. Again, you two are free to find it out yourselves by playing chess.

Just deeply think about it. Don't get frustrated of me/my words. I'm sorry, but this what I see.

Namaste.

 

[ameyAtmA]

He BhagavAn!

Again you are making 10 wrong assumptions about others.

Now I am convinced that you are obsessive-compulsive about preaching to others by force. It is not your fault, but... you go on my ignore list now on. Sorry. Otherwise I will really stray away from Brahman.

 

[Viswa]

He BhagavAn!

Again you are making 10 wrong assumptions about others.

Now I am convinced that you are obsessive-compulsive about preaching to others by force. It is not your fault, but... you go on my ignore list now on. Sorry. Otherwise I will really stray away from Brahman.

So, when Ramana/Krishna/anyone says something again and again, they are always put in ignore list, as they are compelling you or boring you?

If someone keeps on saying something repeatedly why not look into it what it is?

I am not making assumption about others. But it is the fact. Words cannot make people meet each other, but only Bliss/Peace. Words and thoughts and knowledge of one and other is always an unending search, and only in silence, "Oh, why I am keep on repeating it? Why not people don't want to hear to anything and put at ignore list? If everything is God, whom does they ignore? Even God don't ignores atheist or one who scolds God, then why do people ignore others? Wherever I go and say something, come on ignore him, like Robert Oppenheimer and others ignored David Bohm's Observations, where they couldn't put off his findings so simply ignored as it looks against their own findings, but actually it is not. Why do people can't understand that one keeps on coming and repeating like Krishna/Jesus/Ramana/Vivekhananda, not for preaching but only out of Love as the people here are deserved to know the deep things?"

 

[Aupmanyav]

1. On the other hand, it is difficult to find any non-dualistic content in the Gita.
2. Advaita does not say aham brahmasmi or sarvam kalvidam brahma. These words come from Upanishads and are accepted by dualistic Vedanta schools too.

You deny BG 2.13. Don't go by Prabhupada's translation, the original does not mention 'soul'. It just says what is embedded in that form and that is Brahman. And, that is Advaita, true for all things in the universe. That Krishna is mentioning 'soul' is your prejudice.

"dehino ’smin yathā dehe, kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā;
tathā dehāntara-prāptir, dhīras tatra na muhyati."

As the embodied continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the embodied similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change.

Why would the dualistic schools like gaudiya vaishnavism accept upanishadic phrases like aham brahmasmi? ... If i'm not mistaken, the bhaktaas don't consider the jivas and the world to be Brahman. To them, Brahman is only Vishnu/Krishna who is separate from his creation.

If they go by Vedanta - Advaita, Vishishta Advaita, Dvaita-Advaita, Shuddha Advaita, Acintya Bheda-Abheda Advaita or even Dvaita of Sri Madhvacharya, in the ultimate, the source is Brahman alone.

 

[Viswa]

Obviously.
The AvadhUta experiences Brahman by being Brahman and staying Brahman. It is an avasthA , BramhAvasthA, BramhAnanda , a very peaceful state, albeit a spritual-mental state.

It is like that phrase "the dumb (who cannot speak) eats guD (jaggery) and tastes the swaad inside, they have no motivation to explain how sweet it is.

But I think you are also making too many classifications and assumptions of other people's states or status or where they are. Repeatedly.

You presume that just because people are discussing something , they are on a "path" or a "method" or a whatever and you alone are not.

Now do not jump on this word "experience" and start putting it into boxes and buckets all over again - saguNa nirguNa inside bubble outside bubble bhakti seeking not seeking

Silence is felt, and no motivation to lift a finger is felt.

Just let it be. Let people find out on their own. Let people do what they want to do or feel like doing at a point. It can change and they will want to move on to something else.

Someone is going thru a silence phase, and a few months later they (the same person) are singing bhajans. So what?



So? At least they do not have to take birth in a physical body right?



We all know that and the AchAryas long before you like Ramanuj etc. were very wise and well aware that we are in the realm of prakruti, no matter how subtle and parA prakruti as opposed to aparA.

So what? Why this struggle to get rid of prakruti? Especially parA subtle avyakta muLa prakruti. You cannot.
We are the dream characters in VishNu's dream even if some of us experience that "Oh I was this before or originally!, and now I am this!" That is also a realization given to them. Exactly like BrhadAraNayka said. So? Let them have that.



Then why do you keep talking about it ? It is futile.

Even within prakruti, the motivationless sankalpaless avadhUta like silence that one feels is a taste of Brahman. Good enough. At least it does not make them accrue karma. Good or bad,

Singing Bhajans, or Path or Method, I truly accept and support it. But, why speaking about words of Advaita and Dvaita and playing chess? Can we discuss about that?

Just let it be. Let people find out on their own. Let people do what they want to do or feel like doing at a point. It can change and they will want to move on to something else.

In case of Normal people, I truly behave as you say, let them find out. But, in the group of serious spiritual knowledge/Moksha seekers, why should I not say anything or keep repeating?. Is it, that in religious forums, no one is serious? All are just time-passing for things and works, and not at all keen to knowledge/truth? Or One knows one and another knows another and want to impose one on another and another on one and just move away from the "path" or "method" they go on?

What's the purpose of this religious forums? May you please let me know? Just for words play? To Increase the stake of the website by more posts? For meaningless debates?

 

[ajay0]

All well said, that's my view too, except the above.

Subtle self, YOU, cannot perceive YOU. YOU can't see YOU. This is not my word, but said in Brihadaranyaka and Mandukya. Knower cannot be Known. Experienced cannot be Experienced. Subject cannot be objectified and perceived, and whatever objectified/perceived/experienced is all Prakriti (said in BG Chap 13). Only Bliss (Prajnanaghanam - Pure Consciousness) can be perceived, and if question is asked about the Self farther that Bliss/Sat-chit-Ananda, Upanishads says "Stop there it's enough, as Self cannot perceive/think/know Self. Negate everything whatever said as Self 'na iti na iti'" not existence not non-existence not God not Dormamu not........

One can argue that perception of bliss is perception itself, or that the Self gets to experience itself after untangling from the web of desires, thoughts and emotions, in consideration of your viewpoint.

 

[Viswa]

One can argue that perception of bliss is perception itself, or that the Self gets to experience itself after untangling from the web of desires, thoughts and emotions, in consideration of your viewpoint.

Yes. You are right. Perception of Bliss is perception itself, but it is same as much as the Physical Perception. If this is relative, that too is relative. If physical and psych is apparent reality, then Bliss is also apparent reality. In all the cases, from Bliss to Physical, Self experiences Self. But, how it experiences is matters. Brahman experiences itself by limiting itself as Prakriti/3 gunas and experiences all 5 sheaths.

Regarding Untangling from web of desires, thoughts and emotions - doesn't the devotees desire for God's Love/emotions and desire God's presence?

Doesn't one desire for Bliss, and the desire is just switched from physicality to Bliss/Pure Happiness and aversion from others (sufferings/etc.,), Isn't it?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Another thing is, In Bhagavat Gita Chapter 13 - it is been said that "Both Prakriti and Purusha are eternal", ... So, if Prakriti is Eternal, why come Advaitins deny it's existence as illusion? How come Illusion be created without a small memory of names/forms/appearances?

Advitist deny the duality of Prakruti and Purusha, and accept existence of Brahman only. That 'maya' (jagat, samsara) rises, is coincidental to existence of Brahman. Maya is, because Brahman is.

But, how you say it is not a composite? Then how come all the composite are experienced if it not a composite? Is there something other than Brahman as a composite and so experienced thus?

There are no composites. What all is there is Brahman.
"Eko sad, dwiteeyo nasti; nasti, nasti, na nasti kinchana."
What exists is one, there is no second; none, none, none, without the least exception.

 

[Viswa]

Advitist deny the duality of Prakruti and Purusha, and accept existence of Brahman only. That 'maya' (jagat, samsara) rises, is coincidental to existence of Brahman. Maya is, because Brahman is.
There are no composites. What all is there is Brahman.
"Eko sad, dwiteeyo nasti; nasti, nasti, na nasti kinchana."
What exists is one, there is no second; none, none, none, without the least exception.

So, It's Brahman not that rises but Maya is (Jagat and Samsara is not Brahman but Maya, two???)? Why coin a term called Maya, like Sankhya coin Purusha and Prakriti?

Why not coin (Ishwara jagat Jiva - Samsara - Knowledge - Ignorance) all as Brahman - One? Why differentiate something in Brahman as, this is Brahman and that is Maya? Everything is Brahman. Right?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Even Advaitins don't claim "i am Ishwara". There's a difference between the ocean, iceberg, and waves. The ocean is the ultimate substance from which the iceberg(ishwara) and the waves(jivas) are made up of.
Advaitins simply say, the forms such as iceberg and waves are not me. What i really am is the ocean. :=)

EDIT : Once i lose my individuality and become one with IT, .. Pretty cool huh.

They don't, because it is not correct to consider Brahman as 'Ishwara'. 'Ishwara' exists only in 'Maya', 'Vyavaharika', and not in "Paramarthika'.
'The differences in naming are distortions as a matter of speaking, the soil alone is the truth', that is what 'Chandogya' said -
'vācārambhaṇaṃ vikāro nāmadheyaṃ, mṛttikā iti eva satyam'.
If you become one with it, then the thought of 'Ishwara' would not enter your mind. .. Pretty cool huh.

So, It's Brahman not that rises but Maya is (Jagat and Samsara is not Brahman but Maya, two???)? Why coin a term called Maya, like Sankhya coin Purusha and Prakriti?
Why not coin (Ishwara jagat Jiva - Samsara - Knowledge - Ignorance) all as Brahman - One? Why differentiate something in Brahman as, this is Brahman and that is Maya? Everything is Brahman. Right?

Jagat, Samsara, surely is Brahman, no doubt about it. The problem is the way you perceive it. That is 'maya'. You see men and monkeys. You see it 'us' and 'they'. If you only saw atoms, quarks, points of energy dancing all around. Then, that is Brahman.