Limo
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Defiantly Interest is Haram (forbidden) in Islam.
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What is Right With Islam?
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You know something? Your list put me thinking on how it must be rewarding for Muslims to interact with like-minded Muslims with whom they have already established relationships of mutual trust and respect.
I understand that one of the Five PIllars of Islam is Zakat - the duty to support those in need - and that there is also encouragement for voluntary, often anonymous financial benevolence, called Sadaqah.
Would it be fair to understand that returning alms might take the form of nurturing the resolve to acquire financial stability and to eventually give back to the community (not necessarily to the very same, exact people that gave us support in our own time of need)?
Or is returning alms something else?
It sounds demanding as well. As a matter of fact, I get the sense that much of typical Muslim life involves a measure of contemplation of elevated ideals and the practical need to accept our own limitations. It sounds, for lack of a better word, humbling.
Giving people credit for their sincere efforts is definitely a good thing, and one that is not found all that often in random social environments. We certainly should praise Islam for valuing that good habit and teaching it.
Reciprocity of good will is rather precious.
I assume that leads to a considerable level of rejection of blast radius weapons of most kinds, including air bombings. Would you agree?
In most contexts that I am familiar with, the word "alms" is reserved for uses where there is the understanding that the money will not be returned.
I understand that one of the Five PIllars of Islam is Zakat - the duty to support those in need - and that there is also encouragement for voluntary, often anonymous financial benevolence, called Sadaqah.
Would it be fair to understand that returning alms might take the form of nurturing the resolve to acquire financial stability and to eventually give back to the community (not necessarily to the very same, exact people that gave us support in our own time of need)?
Or is returning alms something else?
Oh right, I have had opportunity to meet that custom. It sure is charming.
It sounds demanding as well. As a matter of fact, I get the sense that much of typical Muslim life involves a measure of contemplation of elevated ideals and the practical need to accept our own limitations. It sounds, for lack of a better word, humbling.
Giving people credit for their sincere efforts is definitely a good thing, and one that is not found all that often in random social environments. We certainly should praise Islam for valuing that good habit and teaching it.
Reciprocity of good will is rather precious.
Ben Avraham
Well-Known Member
Well, I don't know if there is any thing right with Islam.
Limo
Active Member
Strange .... Don't you know that there are a lot of agreement between Islam and Judaism from the top Almighty, creation down to the Law level?
Allah said in Quran "Have you not seen those who were given a portion of the Scripture? They believe in Jibt and Taghut and say to the disbelievers that they are better guided as regards the way than the believers (Muslims)"
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
Indeed. If Christian villains think you should die, they pray to Jesus to kill you (can't go to prison for murder ... won't be able to have a nice life in prison) ... unless they decide prison is worth it and they kill you anyway. Muslim villains just kill you. The lack of bush beating is a refreshing change.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
While this is correct, it does not mean that there isn't a cost for loans. Sharia compliant banks earn their money on loans through either: rent, profit sharing, profit on sale of loans, or deep discounting.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
This is wrong. Islam has a big problem currently with its treatment of the Other. Plus, they have the same problem as Christianity with labeling fellow believes as not "true" believers, like the Ahmadis.
A good thing about Islam is that they are strict monotheists.
Plus, in the distant past, they were an enlightened religion and accepting of the Jews. Although they engaged in some persecution, it wasn't near as bad as Middle Ages Europe.
It seems to me that this is, perhaps even by design, a perenially confusing part of Islam. It lends a lot of significance to the distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims. So much so that it sort of has to go out of its way every now and then in order to make sure that it has not crossed a line.
Islam has been called dualistic, and I think it is a very deserved criticism.
As for strict monotheism being a good thing... well, I just don't see how or why that would be so.
Islam has been called dualistic, and I think it is a very deserved criticism.
As for strict monotheism being a good thing... well, I just don't see how or why that would be so.
My knowledge of Islam and its various traditions or sects is cursory, but I have fond memories from a time I attended a social gathering at a local Mosque. I was impressed by the fantastic community they had cultivated in a part of the country where their people are few and far between, and they were very respectful and friendly towards me as an outsider.
Limo
Active Member
It's true values in Islam and good Muslim should do.
Allah said in Quran "
O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
Also in Quran "
O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful."
Akivah
Well-Known Member
Also in Quran
https://islamqa.info/en/21534
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers”
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]
He (the kaafir) will be a loser in Hell, and will not come of out it. It is not possible for a kaafir to enter Paradise unless he becomes Muslim. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning).
Verily, those who belie Our Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and treat them with arrogance, for them the gates of heaven will not be opened, and they will not enter Paradise until the camel goes through the eye of the needle (which is impossible). Thus do We recompense the Mujrimoon (criminals, polytheists, sinners)”
[al-A’raaf 7:40]
kaoticprofit
Active Member
It does? This is what's right about Islam...
Limo
Active Member
The objective of this post is to discuss good things in Islam.
I was answering your denial of some good values.
Have a nice day
Limo
Active Member
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
I don't want to be one sided nor do I want to disagree with you, however since this topic is in debate category, don't you think we should debate here?
Talmai
Member
I am not a Muslim but my conscience tells me there are many things Islam gets right. It is a religion and way of life where intention comes first, it disapproves of racial superiority, it emphasizes modesty and chastity, it urges compassion and charity, it argues that God knows what is best in contrast to man's ideas and ideals, and it teaches people to desire Paradise much more than this world. Those are some of the many things Islam gets right.
Deathbydefault
Apistevist Asexual Atheist
You didn't grasp my point, I don't want to throw out Islam because they copy-paste correct morals sometimes.
Same with the constitution, international law, human rights and so on.
I meant to say that simply because Islam gets some things correct some of the time, It doesn't at all overshadow what it doesn't get correct, a point that cannot be carried over to the constitution as it gets most things right most of the time.