What is sexually immoral?

[JBChristian]

In my opinion, as long as it's within the bounds of consenting adults (both terms very important), then it's green light. As for behavior in public, I probably wouldn't appreciate people engaging in scat play in a park while I'm trying to have a picnic.

Ok since it is easier to say what all I believe is immoral then list what is Moral. so here's my list of what is immoral.
1. Sex with any person that is not your spouse.
2. Sex with anything that is not Human.
3. There are also thoughts that can be considered Immoral.

 

[PRV357]

Obviously, there are moral boundaries to everything (unless you believe otherwise), but our current society DOES create moral boundaries for every aspect of our lives, even sexuality.

What would you yourself deem "inappropriate" sexual behavior in public? What would you deem "immoral" sexual behavior, no matter what?

from a Bible Believer's perspective, of what are sexually immoral sins... fornication, adultery, homosexuality, incest, bestiality, pedophilia or necrophilia

 

[Storm]

from a Bible Believer's perspective, of what are sexually immoral sins... fornication, adultery, homosexuality, incest, bestiality, pedophilia or necrophilia

One of these things is not like the others.....

 

[Father Heathen]

Ok since it is easier to say what all I believe is immoral then list what is Moral. so here's my list of what is immoral.
1. Sex with any person that is not your spouse.
2. Sex with anything that is not Human.
3. There are also thoughts that can be considered Immoral.

Fascinating. Well worth the thread necro.

 

[Father Heathen]

from a Bible Believer's perspective, of what are sexually immoral sins... fornication, adultery, homosexuality, incest, bestiality, pedophilia or necrophilia

Some other immoral sins from a Bible Believer's perspective; rotating crops, eating pork or shellfish, speaking to menstruating women, wearing mixed fabrics, working on the sabbath, etc.

What isn't considered an immoral sin is owning slaves, beating slaves and selling ones own daughter into an arranged marriage (sexual slavery).

 

[oldbadger]

Informed consenting adults.

Hi Sunstone. What exactly do you mean by 'informed'? This word is worrying me.

 

[Storm]

Hi Sunstone. What exactly do you mean by 'informed'? This word is worrying me.

Not drugged or otherwise incapable of genuine consent.

 

[oldbadger]

Do you really think animals and the mentally disabled/ill can make informed consent?

Ouch! Sorry about the previous post.......I posted as I read forward. Are you suggesting that (clinically) simple or mentally ill may not make love? Wow! I am guessing that there will be plenty of answers to that...... I better just read forward!

 

[oldbadger]

Ok since it is easier to say what all I believe is immoral then list what is Moral. so here's my list of what is immoral.
1. Sex with any person that is not your spouse.
2. Sex with anything that is not Human.
3. There are also thoughts that can be considered Immoral.

Oh dear! Mrs Badger just looked over my shoulder and says she is guilty of all that lot.

She did 1. with me for the first 13 years of our 21 year partnership.
She did 2. with me, so she says that counts.
She does 3 every time she watches films with that Gabriel Byrne bloke. (what has he got that I ain't?)

 

[Sunstone]

Hi Sunstone. What exactly do you mean by 'informed'? This word is worrying me.

Suppose a woman agrees to have sex with someone provided they use a condom. But suppose her partner deceptively removes his condom at some point during the act, while still having sex with her. If she does not notice that he has removed his condom, she is no longer informed about the possible or likely consequences of the act.

Again, suppose a child, drunk, mental incompetent, or Republican technically consents to sex, but does not understand the possible consequences of it. They are not informed.

I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that in law, for a contract to be binding, both parties must not only consent to the terms, but also be fully informed of them. You cannot legally hold someone to terms that they knew nothing of. In other words, I am thinking of an agreement between two people to have sex as being akin or at least partly analogous to a legal contract.

 

[oldbadger]

Suppose a woman agrees to have sex with someone provided they use a condom. But suppose her partner deceptively removes his condom at some point during the act, while still having sex with her. If she does not notice that he has removed his condom, she is no longer informed about the possible or likely consequences of the act.

Again, suppose a child, drunk, mental incompetent, or Republican technically consents to sex, but does not understand the possible consequences of it. They are not informed.

I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that in law, for a contract to be binding, both parties must not only consent to the terms, but also be fully informed of them. You cannot legally hold someone to terms that they knew nothing of. In other words, I am thinking of an agreement between two people to have sex as being akin or at least partly analogous to a legal contract.

Yep.... Thanks for that. I did not think of the condom case. Yes....Child = rape. Drunk = rape. Unconscious = rape. Force = rape (in England). Mentally Incompetent is massively difficult, simply because neurologically and mentally disabled people need (and have, in England) protection by law now, and if they want a partner they should be able to have one. Difficult, isn't it?

Over your side you can ban republicans from breeding by all means..... over here we need to emasculate various other politicals. (!!)

Yes..... all agreements are forms of contract.

 

[Sunstone]

3. There are also thoughts that can be considered Immoral.

For an act to be immoral, must it not have consequences for someone besides the person who does it? Must it not affect others? And do thoughts alone -- i.e. thoughts that are not acted on -- have any consequences beyond the person who entertains them?

 

[PRV357]

from a Bible Believer's perspective, of what are sexually immoral sins... fornication, adultery, homosexuality, incest, bestiality, pedophilia or necrophilia

One of these things is not like the others.....

two of those things are different than the others... bestiality & necrophilia

 

[Me Myself]

Any sexual act that damages another being, depending on the benefits of the act and the intensity of such damage.

 

[Me Myself]

from a Bible Believer's perspective, of what are sexually immoral sins... fornication, adultery, homosexuality, incest, bestiality, pedophilia or necrophilia

Where in the bible is pedophilia forbidden?

 

[Me Myself]

If you wanted to, I suppose you could consider sexual activity that's irresponsible, risky and/or psychologically unhealthy as immoral.

I definitely do.

 

[PRV357]

Where in the bible is pedophilia forbidden?

Jesus spoke highly of the simple faith & trust of little children... even using them as examples in His teachings...
but offending little children is something that Christ spoke out very strongly against... obviously; pedophilia (although modern terminology) is one of the absolute worst ways to hurt them

{Matthew 18 KJV}
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

 

[Me Myself]

While I agree pedophilia is wrong (and I would be defining it as sex with pre teens), the bible never directly spoke against it, while it did speak against other sexual practices very specifically.

A simple reason for why may be that there wasn´t a clear cut way of determining when a girl became a woman. Let´s remember that in Jesus´s times a 12 year old was probably a woman already. Sex with her would be pedophilia by modern US standards (and even Ecuadorian standards, in which a girl becomes a woman by age of 14)

 

[PRV357]

While I agree pedophilia is wrong (and I would be defining it as sex with pre teens), the bible never directly spoke against it, while it did speak against other sexual practices very specifically.

A simple reason for why may be that there wasn´t a clear cut way of determining when a girl became a woman. Let´s remember that in Jesus´s times a 12 year old was probably a woman already. Sex with her would be pedophilia by modern US standards (and even Ecuadorian standards, in which a girl becomes a woman by age of 14)

as my response already indicated... the terminology is obviously not specific to Christ's time on earth...
however; I STILL highly doubt that Christ would approve of such a serious offense being perpetrated against little children...
especially given His stance (in their ardent defense) as that Scripture demonstrated

 

[Me Myself]

as my response already indicated... the terminology is obviously not specific to Christ's time on earth...
however; I STILL highly doubt that Christ would approve of such a serious offense being perpetrated against little children...
especially given His stance (in their ardent defense) as that Scripture demonstrated

You mean the command is not specific. I was just making it clear that Jesus was most likely not against teen sex. (as long as married)