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What is Sin?

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Bible Guy

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Kemosloby said:
Your not listening.
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Oh ok.....You can ignore my question....

But I am not listening?

Hmmm.....

YOU are not answering.

YOU are not even bothering to tell me what I am allegedly not listening to.

YOU are not explaining.

YOU are not adequately engaging the evidence I've brought forth.

Sigh.....I'd say this chat has degenerated....
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Ben Avraham said:
Nu! So, what's your definition of sin? Do I have to squeeze it out of you?
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Well there is no such thing as sin, its just what we as human label as being something we don't like, a sin to you might not be a sin to me. The true meaning of what you call sin is when we forget our true self, that being the Source, call this Source God, or whatever, it doesn't matter because its just another label, we have over many years in ignorance made up all sorts of stories and organizations called religion, just to get back to who we already are, but sadly we put a stumbling block called God in our way keeping us away from realizing our true inner Being, the Source.
 
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Bible Guy

New Member
psychoslice said:
Well there is no such thing as sin, its just what we as human label as being something we don't like, a sin to you might not be a sin to me. The true meaning of what you call sin is when we forget our true self, that being the Source, call this Source God, or whatever, it doesn't matter because its just another label, we have over many years in ignorance made up all sorts of stories and organizations called religion, just to get back to who we already are, but sadly we put a stumbling block called God in our way keeping us away from realizing our true inner Being, the Source.
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Hello psychoslice,

I think I see where you are coming from...

But...

If the Biblical God exists, then you are only "free" if God forgives your sin.

So, you have assumed the Biblical God does not exist.

Why do you assume the Biblical God does not exist?
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Bible Guy said:
Hello psychoslice,

I think I see where you are coming from...

But...

If the Biblical God exists, then you are only "free" if God forgives your sin.

So, you have assumed the Biblical God does not exist.

Why do you assume the Biblical God does not exist?
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Because there has never been any proof what so ever, I have also read the bible many times and if that is your god then good luck with that. The bible god comes over to me as a horribly nightmare, its like wanting to be friends with Hitler and only trying to find the best of Hitler and ignoring the rest of him.
 
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Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
psychoslice said:
Well there is no such thing as sin, its just what we as human label as being something we don't like, a sin to you might not be a sin to me. The true meaning of what you call sin is when we forget our true self, that being the Source, call this Source God, or whatever, it doesn't matter because its just another label, we have over many years in ignorance made up all sorts of stories and organizations called religion, just to get back to who we already are, but sadly we put a stumbling block called God in our way keeping us away from realizing our true inner Being, the Source.
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Are you sure there is no such thing as sin? Tell me, do you believe that King Solomon was a wise king? He said that there has never been a man upon earth to have done only good and never sinned. (Ecclesiastes 7:20) Do you think he was a fool to say that when you have declared that there is no such thing as sin?
 
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Ben Avraham

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psychoslice said:
Well I don't have any guilt, I did when I was a Christian, but not now since I left, I am free as a bird.
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Well, that's believable that you can obey the laws of the land without believing in God. And that you can live a happy life as a result of obeying the laws of the land where you live or are visiting.
 
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Bible Guy

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psychoslice said:
Because there has never been any proof what so ever, I have also read the bible many times and if that is your god then good luck with that. The bible god comes over to me as a horribly nightmare, its like wanting to be friends with Hitler and only trying to find the best of Hitler and ignoring the rest of him.
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Hi again psychoslice...

You wrote: "Because there has never been any proof what so ever..."

My response: How do you know that there has never been any proof that the Biblical God exists?
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Ben Avraham said:
Are you sure there is no such thing as sin? Tell me, do you believe that King Solomon was a wise king? He said that there has never been a man upon earth to have done only good and never sinned. (Ecclesiastes 7:20) Do you think he was a fool to say that when you have declared that there is no such thing as sin?
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Solomon wasn't perfect, if you believe the story to be true that is, and I don't believe any god had anything to do with the bible, so I wont argue on that.
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Bible Guy said:
Hi again psychoslice...

You wrote: "Because there has never been any proof what so ever..."

My response: How do you know that there has never been any proof that the Biblical God exists?
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Because there hasn't, what you or anyone experiences isn't proof, if you had 100% proof, you would be the first ever, reading old scriptures and hearsay isn't proof.
 
allfoak

allfoak

Alchemist
Sunstone said:
Years ago, I was told that sin is "an offense against God". That seemed pretty simple and straight forward to me, but now and then I have heard people speak of sin as an offense against other people. So I'm wondering if they are mistaken about the nature of sin, or if sin is both an offense against God and other people, or what? That is, is sin an offense against someone, and if so, who? And more broadly, what is sin?

This question is mainly for Abrahamics, of course, but anyone can offer their views.
Sin is a complicated subject indeed.
In order to be fair it seems that it would be based on motive and therefore different for everyone.
What is done in ignorance by some, is sin for others.

In other words, more knowledge of self brings greater responsibility for others.
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Ben Avraham

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Then Jesus turned to the Jews who had claimed to believe in him. “If you stick with this, living out what I tell you, you are my disciples for sure. Then you will experience for yourselves the truth, and the truth will free you.”[/quote]

This was according to John 8:31. Soon afterwards in John 8:44, Jesus said that the Jews who had believed in him were children of the Devil. Does it make any sense to you? It does not to me! And the Jews who had believe in him, did not understand him either. They seemed to have grown up together with him from youth and revealed a secret about Jesus which is in John 8:41. That Jesus had been born out of fornication. I wonder if this was due to what Josephus wrote in his book "Wars of the Jews" that, the Romans in Israel used to rape thousands of young Jewish ladies who bore children without a Jewish father. Don't you find John 8:41 suggestive of that tragic event?
 
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