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What is the Authority of the New Testament?

jimb

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I'm not trying to prove that. Whether or no you consider it to be of value is irrelevant - the point is that some gospel quotes don't conform to the language used by the Septuagint and would most probably have originated from a proto-Masoretic text.

You have no basis to accuse me of lying.
Neither you nor your source can produce definitive evidence of what you are claiming. It is just your (and his) opinion (unless you are an authority on the "pure" Septuagint).

From wikipedia:
The 3rd century BCE is supported for the translation of the Pentateuch by a number of factors, including its Greek being representative of early Koine Greek, citations beginning as early as the 2nd century BCE, and early manuscripts datable to the 2nd century BCE. After the Torah, other books were translated over the next two to three centuries. It is unclear which was translated when, or where; some may have been translated twice (into different versions), and then revised. The quality and style of the translators varied considerably from book to book, from a literal translation to paraphrasing to an interpretative style.

The translation process of the Septuagint and from the Septuagint into other versions can be divided into several stages: the Greek text was produced within the social environment of Hellenistic Judaism, and completed by 132 BCE. With the spread of Early Christianity, this Septuagint in turn was rendered into Latin in a variety of versions and the latter, collectively known as the Vetus Latina, were also referred to as the Septuagint initially in Alexandria but elsewhere as well. The Septuagint also formed the basis for the Slavonic, Syriac, Old Armenian, Old Georgian, and Coptic versions of the Christian Old Testament.

I am not accusing you of lying. I am simply stating that you are wrong in your assumption. Lying is knowing the truth but deliberately stating otherwise. Why are you so touchy?
 

jimb

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No, it doesn't mean that either. The facts are not as black and white as you make them out to be.
I am not the one who is making claims about the "facts" concerning the Septuagint. Biblical source documents and their use is NOT a clearly-defined issue, and the opinion of a physicist about the Septuagint must obviously be taken "with a grain of salt". Nobody, even the most qualified research scholars, have definitive answers.

I am not the one who is making the claim about the "facts"; you are. Don't you remember writing "some gospel quotes don't conform to the language used by the Septuagint and would most probably have originated from a proto-Masoretic text." (my emphases) That is a pretty vague statement, i.e., not hard facts.
 

jimb

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Premium Member
Then your argument is defective. Ignoring the facts is a solid indication of a weak position.
Who taught you that??? Anyone who claims something as a fact when it is unprovable is detached from reality. Yes. That means you!

Read post #105 until you understand it (if that's even possible for you).

At least the physicist is honest!

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Read your own post #104! You wrote "the facts are not as black and white as you make them out to be" YOUR WORDS! You are clearly a hypocrite!
 
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Dimi95

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One simple question that has one simple answer.
History is the most reliable source for the New Testament.
That is like people who study social Science , which is also part of Science , but not Natural or Applied.
It has its own rules , and it is different from the above-mentioned.

But analysis show that people are ignorant of that.
 

jimb

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Who taught you that??? Anyone who claims something as a fact when it is unprovable is detached from reality. Yes. That means you!

Read post #105 until you understand it (if that's even possible for you).

At least the physicist is honest!

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Read your own post #104! You wrote "the facts are not as black and white as you make them out to be" YOUR WORDS! You are clearly a hypocrite!
No. You clearly lack understanding of what I write. I am NOT contradicting myself.
 
Why do people believe that the New Testament is authoritative? For example, what does "inspired by God" mean? Why do you believe that it is inspired by God.

This is not from an atheist perspective. I believe in God.

I believe that the New Testament has some objective truths. I also believe that it contains many artificial stories intended to serve a purpose.
First, inspired by God and authoritative aren't the same. So we have two questions here.

The idea it is inspired by God is based on faith. As the question of God is a faith based question, anything being inspired by God is also faith based. Personally though, I think the idea that the Bible is inspired by God is likely if God exists. That doesn't mean it's perfect, it's still written by humans who are flawed. The text is flawed. There's historical inaccuracies, there are things that are morally questionable, there are forgeries, etc. But those are products of humans. We can still have the idea that the text is inspired by God, that it's belief in God and a nourishment of that faith that produced the Biblical texts, but that doesn't mean they are literally the word of God.

As for why people believe the New Testament is authoritative? Because they have already accepted that Christianity is true. The New Testament isn't an argument for faith, but an expression of that faith. Thus, the texts are only authoritative to those who also accept that faith.

That doesn't mean we have to take them as 100% true. We can still debate with the text, as Jesus debated with Hebrew scripture, and Paul debated with views of Jesus. That's perfectly fine. But the text is still seen as holding truths that make sense, and are convincing. Because of that, it holds some authority.

Or if we wanted to break it down very simply, we get faith.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It has been suggested by someone that Jesus used the LXX. This makes absolutely no sense. The LXX was a mere translation made for Jews in the Diaspora who spoke Greek rather than Hebrew/Aramaic. This would not be the case with Jesus, who grew up in Galilee. If you believe the stories of the gospels, Jesus read from the Prophets in a Nazareth Synagogue, meaning he read in Hebrew. NOT GREEK.
 
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