What is the best argument for an atheist?

[Meow Mix]

Well MM it was a bit of a stretch to get a straight let alone intelligent and well thought out answer out of him.

-Q

We'll see what he says to the latest posts. Surely even the most prejudiced person can tell that there are in fact intelligent, compassionate atheists.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

We'll see what he says to the latest posts. Surely even the most prejudiced person can tell that there are in fact intelligent, compassionate atheists.

But whether they are mature enough to admit that their predjudices do not stand up to the light of reason is a completely different story.

-Q

 

[waitasec]

i'll bring up christopher hitchens argument;

what moral act can a believer in god do that a non believer can't?

 

[Dan4reason]

Wow, I did NOT SAY ATHEISM WAS LOWLY!!

I had said:


I also said, "EVERY ATHIEST (ie: high-minded deep thinkers)" MUST REMEMBER IS:

Life is short, and when one seeks Eating, drinking & being Merry as the meaning of life ---there is only a minimum of time to educate oneself before work obligations pull us back into the rat race, whence the over-arching ethos of "Eat, drink & be Merry" as the prime purpose of life.

Yet since life is short and full us misery. work & sufferring [the Buddhist's "1st Noble Truth"] and taxes too ---one should really invest what little time we have in this life to seek out what truths are out there ---but:

Since economic depressions leave the majority of the world's population in want, it is the poor and the meak and the downtroden that gives rise to considering "A Higher Power".

When we are Kings of The world we do not first consider Service to God;
when we are in a Lowly position we cry out to God.

When I said:
"Atheism is simply a lazyman's response to the lowly place they got them selves into" ---I was condemning the "lowly spot" not the atheist.

If an Atheist find themselves in ideal conditions ---it becomes a loathsome place because of their Atheism.
Where ever Atheism is accepted as the standard we find Abuse by Leaders ---Not the other way around.

Atheism is the same as self-proclaiming master of all one surveys ---and then outlaw anyone that says otherwise.
Atheism is the opiate of dictatorships.

Atheism does not allow for democratic rule of law.

The best example of Atheism as publically practiced by lazy chaletains is the recent Billboard outside New York City:
'You know it's a myth': Atheist banner causes a storm at entrance to New York tunnel | Mail Online
What I have yet to hear from these Atheist spokemen is their theological Argument.
Since when does a non-read person proclaim expertise in a subject that they abhor?

We have Bible haters preaching not to read the Bible?
This is a false argument. They lible the Bible and prove their assertions by relying on any sort of debate except the actual text.
IE:
"Have you read the Bible? No? Well don't, because it's false!
Take my word for it, I have never read the Bible and never will, so you better not also! take my word for it."

Read it and then decide afterwards if you want to read it a second time ---remember life is short, you'll have to work hard to fit in th time to attend to such readings.

There are little Osama Bin Ladens trying to play King-of-the-Hill in their own Hoods and aspiring to be romaticised Mafia King-pins ---rather then bowing humbly to the teachers and learning a skill to preform as a redeeming social service ---because they are lazy atheists . . .

I do not believe these guys really can fix their car problems ---they are just poseurs trying to look earnestly busy:

This is what an honest atheist would say.

When a person's karma gets them in the lowly place of a maxium security prison ---they are in the company of other lazy Atheists.

At that point, an honest atheist would say, "Dear God Re-form me"; an laazy atheist would say, "God let this happen to me; so. there ain't no God!"

You are labeling a very diverse group. Some atheists know very little about the bible, others know quite a bit. Some atheists hate religion, others disagree but are tolerant, and others don't have care at all. Some atheists are atheists primarily because of personal problems, others are atheists primarily because there is no reason to be religious, and many are primarily atheist because they are rationally convinced that religion is false.

It is wrong to pretend that millions of people are all just the same.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Then at this point, let me point out this:

A] "The Scientific method"
Scientific method - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Scientific method is also how all cooking recipes are perfected.

and

Then at this point, let me point out this:

B] "Encyclopedia"
An encyclopedia is a reference work, a compendium holding a summary of information from either all branches of knowledge or a particular branch of knowledge.
Encyclopedia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A-reduxed]:
Q) What is wrong with today's Pop music, especially Rap-Music?
A) "over-emphasis on prior discovered knowledge"

.........I need some coherence please....I don't know what you're trying to say and how it is related to the topic of this thread....

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I also said, "EVERY ATHIEST (ie: high-minded deep thinkers)" MUST REMEMBER IS:

Life is short, and when one seeks Eating, drinking & being Merry as the meaning of life ---there is only a minimum of time to educate oneself before work obligations pull us back into the rat race, whence the over-arching ethos of "Eat, drink & be Merry" as the prime purpose of life.

But all of your post show you know nothing of what "Atheist" really think if you persist to paint all of them with such a broad brush. I see nothing wrong with eating, drinking and being merry but it does not define who I am and my responsibilities to myself and my family.

Yet since life is short and full us misery. work & sufferring [the Buddhist's "1st Noble Truth"] and taxes too ---one should really invest what little time we have in this life to seek out what truths are out there ---but:

Speak for yourself. To me life is what I make it regardless of length/time. My life if not full of misery. Of course I have had hardship and have lost friends and family for whatever reasons, Of course my financial situation, like others, is not where I would like it but I use what I have to make the best of life and I still have loving friends and family in my life that make up for any short comings.

Since economic depressions leave the majority of the world's population in want, it is the poor and the meak and the downtroden that gives rise to considering "A Higher Power".

But what does this have to do with Atheist?

When we are Kings of The world we do not first consider Service to God;
when we are in a Lowly position we cry out to God.

What does this have to do with Atheist? We seek neither service to a god nor do we cry out to one. I think you have us confused...

If an Atheist find themselves in ideal conditions ---it becomes a loathsome place because of their Atheism.
Where ever Atheism is accepted as the standard we find Abuse by Leaders ---Not the other way around.

I find most of you ramblings nonsensical. If I was in a "ideal situation" how could I be in a loathsome place?

The other thing is you seem to think Atheist are running the world and we're not. Most of the "world leaders" are theist.

Atheism is the same as self-proclaiming master of all one surveys ---and then outlaw anyone that says otherwise.

No it isn't and that's why you might want to spend more time talking to and understanding what most rational Atheist think.

Atheism is the opiate of dictatorships.

No it isn't. Go back and do a little more research because you are ill-informed.

Atheism does not allow for democratic rule of law.

What....????? Prove it..!

The best example of Atheism as publically practiced by lazy chaletains is the recent Billboard outside New York City:
'You know it's a myth': Atheist banner causes a storm at entrance to New York tunnel | Mail Online

First. Don't keep painting ALL Atheist with that broad brush of yours because not all of us feel it it was or is appropriate to put up such billboards.

Second. There are plenty of Christian/theist billboards out there professing their belief to the believer and non-believer alike.

Third. In the US we all have the right to freedom of speech and freedom to express ourselves...as long as it is with in certain guidelines.

We have Bible haters preaching not to read the Bible?
This is a false argument. They lible the Bible and prove their assertions by relying on any sort of debate except the actual text.
IE:
"Have you read the Bible? No? Well don't, because it's false!
Take my word for it, I have never read the Bible and never will, so you better not also! take my word for it."

Not all Atheist think this way. I read your bible and the Quran but I don't go around telling others not to and I know plenty of other Atheist who feel the same way.

There are little Osama Bin Ladens trying to play King-of-the-Hill in their own Hoods and aspiring to be romaticised Mafia King-pins ---rather then bowing humbly to the teachers and learning a skill to preform as a redeeming social service ---because they are lazy atheists . . .

Nonsensical ramblings....

I do not believe these guys really can fix their car problems ---they are just poseurs trying to look earnestly busy:


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This is what an honest atheist would say.

These guys might need a visit from the fashion police but if I, as an Atheist, see them standing under the hood of a car trying to fix it I don't think they are posing. Rationally I think they realize their car has a problem and they are trying to solve it regardless how their dressed. Your steryotyping is borderline prejudice rather than tolerance.

When a person's karma gets them in the lowly place of a maxium security prison ---they are in the company of other lazy Atheists.

At that point, an honest atheist would say, "Dear God Re-form me"; an laazy atheist would say, "God let this happen to me; so. there ain't no God!"

Do you know what Atheist mean?....Not all that are in prison are Atheist. You and Your posts seem to be intellectually bankrupt and I'm not sure why you're here...

 

[bhaktajan]

I see nothing wrong with eating, drinking and being merry but it does not define who I am and my responsibilities to myself and my family.

Why does every one take personally the opinion of anothe person?

IE: How Dare you think that? There should be a law to stop such thinking?
Especially on a furom about thoughts.

I'm am the messenger. Am I to be judged by my opinions without a presentation of the greivences.

Each statement of mine is declaired as invalid because . . . I write too cleverly?

"Deep thinking Atheists . . . ie: Buddha, Shankara-acarya along with all the students of eastern mysticism." I am quite familiar with classical old-world Hindu Atheist Vedic doctrines ----I guess that I did not introduce myself as a Orthodox Hindu, so indeed, my background started with my devote study of the Hindu Atheist Vedic doctrines known as the Upanisads and still remain their, but now as a "Krsna-bhakta" theist, with the Gitopanishad.

The Buddha's "1st Noble Truth: All life is sufferring" is an absolute Truth ---un-denieable by all living creatures:

eat,
sleep,
mate,
defend

are the 4 catagories of all living creatures even the aristrocrates from your home town cityhall to the celetrial planets far above the North Star's Orbits.

"majority of the world's population in want" are left to fend for themselves or simply pay the high costs by working in the factory . . . for their local aristrocrates ----explotation by aristrocratic Barrons is what causes civic revolutions including the very reason for the concept of Communism to fight the GodHead assumptions of the ruling Class. Like Bernie Madoff's crazy-making chaos.

Jesus's demonstraion that each person has a democratically representative soul attesting to the common man's claim of divinity (the common man has a soul like Jesus demonstarted in his Boddhisattvic pastime) .

We seek neither service to a god nor do we cry out to one. I think you have us confused...

We all serve a master ---there's the saying, "there are no atheists in a fox-hole" ----It is in time of Pleasure & content satisfaction that all the world seems to be one's oyster ---but the Piper/Insurance Premiums/Water Tax/petrol re-fill tab/bartender/Goverment Tax man must be paid.

Just because the neighbor does one thing and another does differently ---they all in positions of working hard to please themselves only and their sphere of influence ---all this requires disicplined devotion to maintain the status quo of life ---so, we are all doing the same things as our neighbors .... but inflation shows that we out-tax eachother in a cascading fashion, like dominos, our grandparents went to war to stop aggression.

The aggression against freedom is not from Theists. Islamic radicalism is not a argument over theology --- it's about meglomania.

In the US we all have the right to freedom of speech and freedom to express ourselves

Yes like when Jay Leno of the evening USA TV Chat Show ---when he asks common questions of average pedestrians "Like, 'What is the name of the language spoken in France?" And they don't know! At least it sells the Commercial Adverts!

I know plenty of other Atheist who feel the same way.

I know plenty too. But just the biggest ones are the coolest, like dictators of a country.
To be the confidant of an atheist dictator who lets you come and go as you please, and treats you to exclusive rights to the gambling proceeds . . . until some castro-type moves in on the turf . . . it's like being a mafia Princess ----but it's probably a double edge sword in such cases don't you think?

Atheism does not allow for democratic rule of law.

USSR Communism. So, here democracy impeeded 'freeenterprise' too.
Also, for dictators ---look up 'Idi Amin' (see the movie w/ Forrest Witterker) (Sp?)

Osama Bin Ladens trying to play King-of-the-Hill

After The, self-declared 'SunGod' of France fell, serveral successive offical Empires rode and fell even before, during and after Nepolian . . . and a couple of hundred years later we saw that culmative anghst of those epochs caught the in the Braodway musical Les Miserable, and by extension "Evita". I don know if a musical about Maria Annoinette has been made yet.

steryotyping is borderline prejudice rather than tolerance.

"prejudice" is based on the discomforting feeling that Rock N Roll died long ago and that Neil Young was in-denial, "Rock N Roll is Dead" ---and our modren youth can look foward to "One Idiotcracy for All" ---love the denuded foods, Lottery Winner propaganda, Welfare state bragging rights, Vitamins & farm seed patented For-sale commodities ---all equally distributed to all the school children ready to face the future of TV programing for the Blase that haven't been conscripted yet.

Not all that are in prison are Atheist

yeah . . . but they . . . uh . . . probably bronk one of the Ten-Commandments.
Either way, In a Court of Law, the talking will be done by those highly specialised & esoterically educated hire-guns called lawyers to protect a citisen's writes from being alienated from them by the dictates of a false God.

Hurray for Democracy!
Hurray for Democracy!
Hurray for Democracy!

Can you say that in the quiet moments of the day?

 

[bhaktajan]

Atheism is simply a lazyman's response to the lowly place they got them selves into" ---I was condemning the "lowly spot" not the atheist.

Atheism is simply a lazyman's response to the God-like-place they got them selves into"

and it can be said,

A theist is simply a lazyman's response to the lowly place they got them selves into"


By lowly place I meant the place that cannot get through "the eye of the needle". So, it was mis-stated by me.

The a-theist usually feels no compunction to thank God when Things are going Great for them.

Whereas,

The Theist, (like the soldier in the Fox hole) acts manic to beseech God's intercession ---when things become hellecious upon realising the precarious condition of humanity's track-record for a common man's statistic of living a long luxurious life.

Show me one Strip Club Owners typical level of enjoyment and I'll show you a billion-dollar industry's worth of regular Joes with out such luxurious lives.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Try not to confuse you with others.

Just because you were one way when you were an atheist does not mean all the other atheists are the same.

You cannot make blanket statements like this, you need to do research, perhaps you could ask the atheists on this forum why they are atheists then you can start sprouting your knowledge.

-Q

 

[Meow Mix]

Yeah. I, for one, am getting tired of the ignorant anti-atheist stereotyping spoken in incomprehensible bundles of cadence and metaphor. My ignore list is starting to get hungry.

 

[atanu]

Yeah. I, for one, am getting tired of the ignorant anti-atheist stereotyping spoken in incomprehensible bundles of cadence and metaphor. My ignore list is starting to get hungry.

Atheist does not believe Theist. No arguments there (borrowed). Both terms can be examples of stereotyping.

I am sending you a friendship invitation. Hope you will not put me on that dreaded 'ignore' list.

...

 

[Gloone]

Why does every one take personally the opinion of anothe person?

I didn't take it personal. I thought it was kind of funny. I actually think you might have a future doing stand up comedy. You have talent. You really shouldn't let it go to waste.

 

[bhaktajan]

a future doing stand up comedy.

yeah but, yeah but, yeah but, Honestly I am too self-conscious of my unusual looks:

But thanks, of course for the 'wellwishes'.

Now that's the type of profound compliments that makes it all worth posting here ideas that were actually inspired by listening repeatedly to Russell Brand's material.

BTW, someone should start a Thread about:

What is the biological reason for "stammering momentary micro-bursts of vassilating hyper-ventilation" ---aka, "Laughing"??

What really is happening in the body when the physical act of "Laughing" occurs?

[I'm not asking about "what is funny/what makes people laugh"?']

 

[atanu]

Ball is in the court of celestial ruler. I wait holding my breath.

...

 

[bhaktajan]

hai? Asodeska!

anti-atheist stereotyping spoken

I for one have been waiting a long time to read such declarations.

"We got trouble here in River City and it's spelt with a capital 'A'."

Oh Yeah baby, say it again to me,

"anti-atheist stereotyping spoken"

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
So, You have seen the recent past? Never too late to Paul Revere it in a pinch".

"anti-atheist stereotyping spoken"

What is next? The anti-athiest defamation league?

For just £ 1 per day wont you please help a poor athiest in San Salvador Today?

Okay Kids the school holiday is canceled for national Atheist Day? Hurray!

 

[Gloone]

Ball is in the court of celestial ruler. I wait holding my breath.

...

I am kind of cautious with people holding their breath. Unless you breath space (which I do quite frequently ) I don't think it will be a problem.

 

[Gloone]

yeah but, yeah but, yeah but, Honestly I am too self-conscious of my unusual looks:

But thanks, of course for the 'wellwishes'.

Now that's the type of profound compliments that makes it all worth posting here ideas that were actually inspired by listening repeatedly to Russell Brand's material.

BTW, someone should start a Thread about:

What is the biological reason for "stammering momentary micro-bursts of vassilating hyper-ventilation" ---aka, "Laughing"??

What really is happening in the body when the physical act of "Laughing" occurs?

[I'm not asking about "what is funny/what makes people laugh"?']

Laughing is suppose to be good for people, but according to your post, I don't think it will do much for the self-conscious.

 

[Gloone]

hai? Asodeska!



I for one have been waiting a long time to read such declarations.

"We got trouble here in River City and it's spelt with a capital 'A'."

Oh Yeah baby, say it again to me,

"anti-atheist stereotyping spoken"

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
So, You have seen the recent past? Never too late to Paul Revere it in a pinch".

"anti-atheist stereotyping spoken"

What is next? The anti-athiest defamation league?

For just£ 1 per day wont you please help a poor athiest in San Salvador Today?

Okay Kids the school holiday is canceled for national Atheist Day? Hurray!

Well it isn't like the kids will be able to go home and make snow angels, or paper plans. What do you think they will do on national atheist day? Burn holy books?

Edit: Yet another epic post made by bhaktajan!

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Well it isn't like the kids will be able to go home and make snow angels, or paper plans. What do you think they will do on national atheist day? Burn holy books?

Edit: Yet another epic post made by bhaktajan!

Much like all traditions we would have to make them ourselves.

-Q

 

[Meow Mix]

Atheist does not believe Theist. No arguments there (borrowed). Both terms can be examples of stereotyping.

I am sending you a friendship invitation. Hope you will not put me on that dreaded 'ignore' list.

...

Of course atheists don't believe theistic arguments, but that's not "stereotyping." If my friend told me he has an invisible dragon in his garage and I disbelieved him until he showed me some evidence am I stereotyping him? Not really, I'm just skeptical of claims without evidence.