What is the biggest scam in world history?

[The_Evelyonian]

Thank you! :yes:
But you haven't seen anything yet.

I'm giddy with anticipation....

 

[JustWondering2]

I'm giddy with anticipation....

Don't hold your breath, you may have a while to wait!:yes:

 

[Autodidact]

It is no more hollow than Darwinism. Darwinists start with the assumption that everything evolved from a common ancestor,

Stop right there. No, this was not an assumption, it was a conclusion--the opposite exactly.

thus everything evolved despite that we don't know (nor can we know) every step, and they fit all the data into this model.

Wrong again. The model was constructed to fit the data, and it does.

As in with whale evolution, they see the modern day whale, purport that it evolved, and then they go out and try to find the basal species

So basically you think biologists are bunch of idiots? No, this is not how it happened. What they see is modern whales, various extinct species of whales, DNA relationships, fossil patterns

. So when they find something that looks archaic (likepakicetus or ambulocetus) they assume that this group of organisms eventually evolved into whales today.

You keep saying assume, and you keep being wrong. Conclude, conclude, conclude. They look at the evidence--all of it, and try to figure out what happened, with no pre-conceived assumptions other than what science has already learned through the same pain-staking but effective procedure.

Similarly, our assumption is that God created distinct kinds that diversified overtime via adaptation. Despite that we can't know where every line is, we take the evidence (as do you) and see how it works in a creationist model.

And it doesn't. And no, it's not anything like what scientists do; it's the opposite.

So basically what you're saying is that biologists are idiots, and the scientific method doesn't work?

btw, would you please stop spreading these falsehoods about how science works? Thanks.

This definition is called evilution. Under this definition the idea of kinds become a tautology, so no wonder few creationists are aware of this definition. But I would think that your encounters with YECs are skewed, giving the stereotype of dumb rednecks that don't know how to use a computer. There are many YECs that are well educated, productive members of society, and understand the darwinist paradigm more than you (and practically every evo here) would care to admit.

The definition comes from AIG's baraminology group, the leading so-called creation scientists. It's the best YEC has. Hilarious, isn't it? As for the rest, why don't you wait for someone to make an assertion before you refute it.

 

[painted wolf]

In order to determine the baraminicity of a given group of organisms, baraminic demarcation must be evaluated. This process involves four foundational concepts[6]:

• Biological Character Space (BCS): A theoretical multidimensional space in which each character (e.g. height or color) of an organism comprises a dimension, and particular states of that character occupy unique positions along the dimension. A single organism is therefore precisely defined by a single point in the multidimensional space.

• Potentiality Region: A region of that biological character space within which organismal form is possible. Therefore, any point in the biological character space that is not within a potentiality region describes an organism that cannot exist.

• Continuity: describes the relationship between two organisms which are either in the same potentiality region, or linked to each other by a third, such that transmutation between the two is theoretically possible.

• Discontinuity: describes the relationship between two organisms which are in disconnected potentiality regions, such that transmutation between the two is impossible.

Thus, organisms that are found to be continuous in a BCS potentiality region form a holobaramin or monobaramin (depending on if all organisms within the potentiality region are considered), whereas those that are discontinuous form a polybaramin or apobaramin (again, depending on completeness of the organisms considered).

This is AWESOME!
It's like they grabbed a bunch of scientific sounding buzz-words and threw them at a wall to see which ones would stick.
It doesn't actually explain anything at all...

wa:do

 

[The_Evelyonian]

In order to determine the baraminicity of a given group of organisms, baraminic demarcation must be evaluated. This process involves four foundational concepts:

Biological Character Space (BCS): A theoretical multidimensional space in which each character (e.g. height or color) of an organism comprises a dimension, and particular states of that character occupy unique positions along the dimension. A single organism is therefore precisely defined by a single point in the multidimensional space.
Potentiality Region: A region of that biological character space within which organismal form is possible. Therefore, any point in the biological character space that is not within a potentiality region describes an organism that cannot exist.
Continuity: describes the relationship between two organisms which are either in the same potentiality region, or linked to each other by a third, such that transmutation between the two is theoretically possible.
Discontinuity: describes the relationship between two organisms which are in disconnected potentiality regions, such that transmutation between the two is impossible.

Thus, organisms that are found to be continuous in a BCS potentiality region form a holobaramin or monobaramin (depending on if all organisms within the potentiality region are considered), whereas those that are discontinuous form a polybaramin or apobaramin (again, depending on completeness of the organisms considered).

How did I miss this? It's like they cut words out of a dictionary of scientific terms, stuck them to a dartboard, and just used whichever words they hit. This has got to be one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.

I finally have an answer to the OT question!

What is the biggest scam in world history?

BARAMINOLOGY!!!

 

[painted wolf]

It is no more hollow than Darwinism. Darwinists start with the assumption that everything evolved from a common ancestor, thus everything evolved despite that we don't know (nor can we know) every step, and they fit all the data into this model.

Actually Evolution started with a set of observations, then hypothesis that were tested and from that a theoretical model was built.
Creationism starts with the assumption (magical poofing) and then tries to shoe horn evidence to fit... ignoring any data that doesn't.

As in with whale evolution, they see the modern day whale, purport that it evolved, and then they go out and try to find the basal species.

You have hypothesis down... good first step.

So when they find something that looks archaic (likepakicetus or ambulocetus) they assume that this group of organisms eventually evolved into whales today.

Actually, it isn't just an assumption. It's based on not only morpological investigation but molecular, genetic and phylogenetic data. The fact that the predictions of evolution have been confirmed is really one of the strong points of the theory.
Unlike creationism, which makes no testable predictions.

Similarly, our assumption is that God created distinct kinds that diversified overtime via adaptation. Despite that we can't know where every line is, we take the evidence (as do you) and see how it works in a creationist model.

Except that your model is empty.... It's a null hypothesis with no investigation into the evidence. Evolution didn't happen, so we won't bother to do any investigation.

wa:do

 

[tumbleweed41]

How did I miss this? It's like they cut words out of a dictionary of scientific terms, stuck them to a dartboard, and just used whichever words they hit. This has got to be one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.

I finally have an answer to the OT question!


BARAMINOLOGY!!!

BINGO!! We have a winner!!

 

[dust1n]

I disagree, when evolution and creation goes head to head, creation always wins. However evolutionists won't let creation go head to head with it.

I think I'm losing Faith in humanity.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Darwinists start with the assumption that everything evolved from a common ancestor, thus everything evolved despite that we don't know (nor can we know) every step, and they fit all the data into this model.

Gosh. There for a minute I thought you might be talking out of your backside, when discussing evolution. I see now that you really have an excellent grasp of the theory, and the scientific method. It's really refreshing to see a creationist that truly understands Darwin, and really knows his science.

There are many YECs that are well educated, productive members of society, and understand the darwinist paradigm more than you (and practically every evo here) would care to admit.

Of course there are.

I'm sure you must be every bit as correct about this assertion as you were with the statement you made above.

 

[McBell]

Is it just me or are creationists, at least the ones in this thread, under the mistaken impression that evolution STARTED with Darwin?

I Mean, can they really be that ignorant of evolution?

 

[McBell]

Thank you! :yes:
But you haven't seen anything yet.

What?
You mean you really do understand that you have posted nothing but creationist lies, ignorance, and bull **** and you are not only proud of it, but can't wait to post more?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Is it just me or are creationists, at least the ones in this thread, under the mistaken impression that evolution STARTED with Darwin?

I Mean, can they really be that ignorant of evolution?

Apparently...YES...!!!!.....

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Is it just me or are creationists, at least the ones in this thread, under the mistaken impression that evolution STARTED with Darwin?

I Mean, can they really be that ignorant of evolution?

Looks that way, doesn't it?

 

[Apollonius]

The biggest scam? .. democracy perhaps, .. or else the notion of freedom altogether.

 

[Half Asleep]

The biggest scam? .. democracy perhaps, .. or else the notion of freedom altogether.

Gabriel Marcel wags his finger at you!

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Why have computers developed so quickly and why has the human brain suddenly become so sharp? All of this has been carried out by aliens controlling the human mind. Aliens have registered everyone who knows how to operate a computer. As to our students, I've cleaned all of that up for them, so that they won't be interfered with by aliens when they use computers. (Falun Fofa:Fa -teaching at the Conference in Europe

You're wrong, man. It's not aliens. It's the mole people, man. Folks say they don't exist but that's just because, back when they got the vote, they started tinkering with our memories. Folks say I'm crazy, man. I'm not crazy. It's the voices in my head that are crazy, man...

 

[darkendless]

Is it evolution? I think so and I’m going to take my home and pretend it is the earth for a demonstration on how the ToE has been propagated to a duped world. From this demonstration we can see that from a preconceived notion we can find evidence for things that we want to accept and how we can suppress other things we don't want to accept.

For many years I believed my home to be created by an intelligent being along with all that is in it, the furniture, appliances and documents. Then let’s say someone comes in my home and says that some of my furniture exploits different niches and they say that it looks like it evolved that way. They go a little further and say that if they evolved that way then maybe everything evolved from a common ancestor. You have a chair that has short legs which exploits the living room environment and a chair that has long legs which is good for that tall table. They tell someone else then others and eventually these people are called evolutionists. Now these evolutionists get together and say, you know if evolution is true then we should be able to predict certain things about that home, furniture, appliances and documents.

For one they should be homologous. Well the chairs all have four legs and soft cushions in the same location. The appliances look similar a toaster and blender are the same color and about the same size and all those documents look similar with writing on them. They prove to be homologous which validates evolution. They should be made from the same material. The chair and couch are the same, the appliances are metal and plastic, and the documents are all paper. They prove to be made of the same material which validates evolution again.

Now that our ToE has been validated by science we can label anything else as religion and suppress it. We will get the courts to only allow evolution to be taught to kids. We will draw connecting lines showing all this descent from what we predict each piece came from based on our scientific testing. We have a solid theory and anyone that doesn’t’ believe it must be uneducated, stupid or irrational. We can get owners of other homes to agree with us by labeling people that accept evolution as reasoned and educated. We can even threaten their jobs if they teach creation. They can either voluntarily or forcefully help us propagate this theory, and label any dissenters as religious fanatics.

God Bless
MoF

No. Its Christianity and religion in general.

 

[logician]

Capitialism, or the notion that it is somehow the perfect economic system.

 

[RedOne77]

Is it just me or are creationists, at least the ones in this thread, under the mistaken impression that evolution STARTED with Darwin?

I Mean, can they really be that ignorant of evolution?

Of course not. Evilution has a long history dating thousands of years back. Even the Greeks had a concept of evolution. Even Darwin took ideas from previous creationists to help explain evolution!

 

[McBell]

Of course not. Evilution has a long history dating thousands of years back. Even the Greeks had a concept of evolution. Even Darwin took ideas from previous creationists to help explain evolution!

Darwin took ideas from creationists?
Really?
Which creationist idea did Darwin take?