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What is the 'cause' of homsexuality?

As with O.P.

  • Genetic mutation?

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • Recessive gene locus/locii?

    Votes: 5 20.0%
  • Hormonal?

    Votes: 7 28.0%
  • Pyschological?

    Votes: 8 32.0%
  • Perversion?

    Votes: 5 20.0%
  • Who the hell do you think you are to ask?

    Votes: 4 16.0%

  • Total voters
    25

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
Jensa said:
Probably equally distasteful. Both are pretty obnoxiously disgusting things, and I wouldn't want to put up with either.
I'm being an amateur psychologist here but....do you think that this association, and 'equal distaste' is correlated????

What I mean is if you disliked willies more than pricks, or you disliked pricks more than willes it might mean something (then again it might mean nothing!!!). The fact that you dislike prick's willies as much as you dislike the willies of said pricks....may be indicitive of a correlation between the two???? Thoughts???? (and yes that was an attempt at humour!!!!)
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Sorry, you've said 'willie' too much for this to evolve into serious conversation. :biglaugh: ;)
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
I hear in America many willies are circumcised. We have an analogy here from our Civil War concerning Parliamentarians and Royalists...in light of this...are willies more attractive or less attractive if they belong to

a.) a Roundhead

or

b.) a Cavalier

(hey I'm on a role...sue me!!!!! We'll leave the smell question unanswered :tsk: )
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
Actually I'm tired and must go to sleep for a while....so with those famous last words uttered by Oates to Scott on that fated Antartic expedition in 1912....

'I am just going outside and may be some time.'​
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
Sunstone said:
I think whatever causes homosexuality, whether it's genetic or environmental or both, causes homosexuality before a person is born or soon afterwards. And I don't think any conscious choice is involved in the causal process.
I think I concur with you that it is not a conscious choice, and I think its is largely to do with early environment, but like I've said before I'm wrong about many things....

(and yes I know I said I was going....I was just getting my coat.....)​
 

Mike182

Flaming Queer
as far as i am concerned, it is a combination of hormones and environment (psychological)

i do not think it genetic, because that would mean their is some form of gene, which they are still to find :D

i do not think it is purely environmental because both of my brothers and i grew up in the same environment, and i am the only gay one :rolleyes:

it is not a simple case of "hormones" because that does not explain why the attraction is one way or another (the "attraction" being the sexual attraction kids get these days :rolleyes: )

look, its complicated, ok, simple as :eek:
 

Flappycat

Well-Known Member
Philosophers and scientists have been trying to explain and understand the nature of love for centuries with limited progress. If you think you fully understand it, I'd take a bet on you being a lot more screwed on it than I am. Personally, I think that the reason I am homosexual is that I find men more attractive than women, not only on a physical level but on a mental and emotional level. I wouldn't be surprised if a number of factors are involved in determining sexual orientation because I'll tell you straight out, no pun intended, that the reasons I have for being attracted to my man are as many, various, and subtle as you can. It would be a shame to attempt to whittle the many things that make me crazy over him down to a single, master gene, though I don't mind them trying if they're really determined to waste their time. The deal with me is that I have something special and important in my life and should not be blamed for advising the violent murder of anyone who gets in the way of me enjoying it, and that's really the only explanation or reasoning that I'm going to give to anyone who questions me about it, period and amen.
 

Radar

Active Member
Sunstone said:
I was once seduced by a cat under similar circumstances. Got drunk, slept if off in a strange house, woke up to erotic dreams, found said cat licking my ear. Talk about a disappointed morning! Those dreams were good!
I guess you finally found out where that bad taste comes from after a night of drinking.
 

Flappycat

Well-Known Member
Jensa said:
I don't think I consciously associate negative attributes to penises... I just consider them nasty-looking and... I can't find the words for the distaste I have for them. :biglaugh:
Believe me: the feeling is mutual. The feeling is so mutual. No offense intended, but...fembits are scary. They just are.
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
retrorich said:
What is the "cause of heterosexuality?
Well I think that in part it is psychological also. I think the heterosexual is programmed to react to the female form in what might be termed 'sexual selection', I think that there is also a biological basis for this, and I think that this has to do with sexually reproductive mates. I think every girlfriend I've had from late teens onward, beyond when I was just having very early flings with girls as a peer pressure thing 'petting' etc. i.e. notches on my stick, I have considered would I have children with this girl. If I decided that I would not, the relationship inevitably finished, funnily enough quite a few times I thought 'Yes I definately would!!!' then they finishsed with me. I actually don't find men unattractive, tho' I think my socialistion may play a part in why I reject the idea of homesexuality. I have had many oppurtunities to explore this and have not, from living in a male gay household as late teenager to having many gay friends all through my adult life to the 'amusing story' I recounted. I have always been a 'social' rebel, so it would even follow that I might rebel in this way too. I'm really not scared of being 'alienated' or doing or saying things people object to, so I think that this is not really a motivation in my rejection of a homosexual lifestyle. I very much attribute my sexuality to a biological process, even tho' I may pursue it without any intention to reproduce.
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
Hi Maize, well as a result of a previous thread :)areyoucra ), I wanted to hear from people why they thought they were homosexual. So may people talk about it, I thought I'd ask. I've had gay friends all my adult life, they've never asked me what I think of homosexuality, and I've never asked them about their sexuality. I've heard many times from them about their process of 'coming out' and related problems, but I've never asked about what they think 'makes' them gay. I thought I'd ask here. By the way as you are an MOD and as the O.P., please feel totally free to ask people to leave this thread if this thread starts to be a place that people decide to make religious or social judgements on the individuals who identify themself as homosexual. I am not asking about the rights and wrongs here in any way.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Nehustan said:
By the way as you are an MOD and as the O.P., please feel totally free to ask people to leave this thread if this thread starts to be a place that people decide to make religious or social judgements on the individuals who identify themself as homosexual. I am not asking about the rights and wrongs here in any way.

Well that's the way all threads that have anything to do with homosexuality or same sex marriage end up going... but thanks.

I don't know why I am gay, I just am. It's like asking "why are you right or left handed?" or "why do you have blue eyes?" I don't know and whatever it's cause it doesn't change who I am and it doesn't mean I should be ashamed of who I am. I've wasted too much of my life already doing that and I'm not going to let those who have moral or religious problems with homosexuality tell me I'm unnatural or an abomination for even one more minute. They want me to be ashamed, well I'm not going to be.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Maize said:
I don't know.... why does it matter?
Hehe; I am the type of person who loves answers. I hate unknowns. I have come to the conclusion (and I have done quite a bit of research since being on this forum) that as soon as one finds evidence for one theory, there will be some contrary findings by another scientist, rubbishing the first conclusion.

Why does it matter ? I guess because we humans have a trait to want to understand everything. It is that that distinguishes us from other creatures; imagination, and the ability to use imagination to fire us into research is what has made man come this far.

The latest article I could find is from:-

http://www.narth.com/docs/trumpeted.html

[font=verdana,arial]Health Writer Says Study Shows
a Biological Cause for Homosexuality

[/font]Some Headlines Mischaracterize Study's Findings

by Roy Waller and Linda Nicolosi

October, 2003-- A British study just published in the October issue of Behavioral Neuroscience claims to find contributing biological factors for homosexuality.

The study--which was conducted among only a small number of subjects, and found modest differences between groups--added some evidence to a recent body of research that suggests that for some people, biological factors contribute to homosexual development.

The factors identified in this and other studies seem to be factors that masculinize females and feminize males, which results in gender-atypical development.

Yet an October 6, 2003 article by reporter Amanda Gardner in Health Day News, and trumpeted on the internet by Yahoo, mischaracterizes the study's scope and findings with the headline, "Startling Study Says People May Be Born Gay."

The first sentence of Gardner's article adds, "The origins of sexual orientation may be evident in the blink of an eye."

The Study's Method

The basis of the study, conducted by Qazi Rahman of the University of East London, is a technique known as "pre-pulse inhibition," or PPI. The main premise of PPI is that when people are startled by a loud noise they involuntarily blink their eyes, but when the test sound is preceded by a quieter noise, this appears to inhibit the response to the second, louder sound. PPI is used in tests to gauge certain inborn human responses and characteristics.

For purposes of the study, the 59 gay and straight men and women participants were subjected to both noises--first the louder noise alone, followed by the softer and louder sounds, and their responses were compared. The goal was to determine the differences, if any, between the responses of homosexual and straight men and also gay and straight women, as well as any possible similarities between homosexual men and heterosexual women and straight men and gay women. The attempt was to use the data collected from the PPI responses to demonstrate a bridge between a genetic cause of homosexuality and an automatic human response.

The researcher sought to find an automatic physiological response that was not developed as a result of learning or social interaction. He decided to employ startle responses, which are involuntary and instinctual.

In terms of statistics, Rahman's study presents the following findings:
  1. Among lesbians, the PPI response rate was 33 percent--compared to 13% in heterosexual women--thus leaning towards the heterosexual male end of the spectrum.
  2. In gay males, the average for PPI was 32 percent, while it was 40 percent for heterosexual men.
Among other conclusions drawn by Rachman and his colleagues in the study is that it appears that some 4 percent of men and 3 percent of women are homosexual-- figures which do not agree with those of other, well-known studies which suggest somewhat lower figures.


The researchers appeared unaware on the recent finding that homosexually oriented individuals have been found to exhibit a significantly higher level of psychiatric problems than the general population. Nor were they evidently aware that the reasons for the high rate of problems have not been identified.

"Although homosexuality per se is not related to psychiatric problems," Rachman states, "on those occasions that gays and lesbians do present with psychiatric problems, they often show disorders that are typical of the opposite sex."

The recent study correlated with findings of reorientation theorists, who generally agree that biological factors lay the foundation for gender-atypical feelings and behavior in some people. This sets the stage for feelings of differentness from their own biological sex. However, because other factors besides biology are known to influence gender identity, reorientation therapists do not believe that inborn gender-atypical traits mean that a person was "born gay."

Whatever the answer, of course, at the end of the day makes no difference. Every single human is unique, and sexuality, hair or eye colour, weight & height matter little; what counts is what is in the heart of the person.

But still, we try to find answers..............Edit; oops, I didn't say why way I voted; I voted hormonal; perversion - certainly not; genetic mutation - I doubt; psychological -no
and Recessive gene locus/locii? I doubt, but I don't even understand what that means (joke). As I said before, at the end of the day what counts is 'Who' a person is.
 

Radar

Active Member
What is the cause of heterosexuallity? Why I am more attracted to brown skin women than white women? But how about this.... It's because god made them that way! I think it is just what an individual brain finds attractive. No, science or religion envolved.
 

pdoel

Active Member
I honestly don't know if it's genetic or environment. I've seen things to support both sides of that equation. However, the one thing I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, is that it's not a choice.

To support the learned/environment theory, I have heard many stories from people that are very similar. For gay men, that they just never felt close to their father. Many would say that the child grew up begging for support or a closeness from their father, and that's what now draws them to members of the same sex.

However, I also know that even at a very very young age, I showed traits of being more feminine. I've also seen other children who did the same (even at the ages of 2-3). Now, it seems silly to say that even at such a young age, a child could seem "gay", but quite often, that's how it turns out.

So while we are very impressionable at that age, I just don't know if we'd really be so dieing for our father's attention at such a young age, that it would change our sexuality forever?

Many families have children where most are straight, but one is gay. So you'd think they'd have similar experiences growing up, and either all be gay, or all be straight. Which would lead you to think that maybe genetics does have something to do with it.
 

MdmSzdWhtGuy

Well-Known Member
I am pretty sure that the thing that causes homosexuality is the same thing that causes left-handedness. Nobody chooses either one. If I was born left handed can I learn to do things as a righty? Probably, but it would not be easy, and my handwriting would look like hell.

B.
 
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