What is the definition of a "Woman"?

[We Never Know]

But to ask a judge for a definition of a woman is
very different from ordinary folk. She'd have to
offer something legally defensible, & even this
would have multiple legal contexts.

It's just common sense that she should not
answer such a mischievous question...one
designed to provide the questioner with sound
bites for pandering to ignorant voters.

What if they had asked her if she was a woman? If she had said yes then ask her what criteria she used to answer the question.
If she answered I don't know....should she be a justice?

 

[We Never Know]

I'd let everyone play together.
But trans athletes would be in a different class.
In a race, there could be a first woman & a first
trans-woman. It's inclusion without unfairness.

Yep have cis-male, cis-female and transgender sports.

 

[Revoltingest]

What if they had asked her if she was a woman?

That would be insulting.
She should refuse, thereby setting
limits for these misbehaving brats.

If she had said yes then ask her what criteria she used to answer the question.
If she answered I don't know....should she be a justice?

That's just mischief...nothing to do with
evaluating a potential SCOTUS justice.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yep have cis-male, cis-female and transgender sports.

Not separate competition.
Just separate results.

For example, men & women run marathons together.
But results are broken down by gender & age.
It's inclusive, yet very fair.

 

[ppp]

Yep have cis-male, cis-female and transgender sports.

I would say the opposite. Ditch the gender categories all together and have categories based on muscle mass.

 

[We Never Know]

That would be insulting.
She should refuse, thereby setting
limits for these misbehaving brats.

That's just mischief...nothing to do with
evaluating a potential SCOTUS justice.

But what if a case came before her about what is a woman? As a judge she would be held to make a ruling.

 

[Revoltingest]

But what if a case came before her about what is a woman? As a judge she would be held to make a ruling.

At that time, justices should do extensive legal & other
research to grasp the problem, & craft a working legal
definition. For a Congress critter to expect such a thorough
answer off the cuff is ridiculous

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

With all due respect... If a person is born with XY chromosomes, was raised as a male, lived as a male..... How do they know what a female feels or how a female identifies as?

That is precisely (at least in part) my point! I'm a male -- XY, woohoo! -- although I happen to be gay. I was raised as a male, I've lived as a male, I still feel like a male. And try as I might, I cannot grok what it is to "feel or identify as female." All I can do is try my best to listen, understand, and empathize to the best of my ability. That's all.

So how does anybody else (whatever their chromosomal configuration) get to decide what another person "feels or identifies as?"

Do you? By what authority, or by what mechanism? Does your "authority" or "mechanism" give you licence to tell another person that they are wrong to feel or identify as they do? Explain how!

So if Lia (this all comes from that swimmer, after all) was born XY and "feels and identifies" as a female -- is she right or wrong? How does any of us even begin to decide what another person should feel? I certainy can't!

Can you?

 

[We Never Know]

I would say the opposite. Ditch the gender categories all together and have categories based on muscle mass.

Yet there is this..

"Males have larger skeletal size and bone mass than females, despite comparable body size"
Males have larger skeletal size and bone mass than females, despite comparable body size - PubMed.

And..

On average, muscle mass in men was 36% greater than in women.
https://journals.physiology.org/doi...indicate that there,36% greater than in women.

And..

Maturation of the airways and lungs continues through childhood and into adolescence during which time, for the most part, males continue to have larger lungs than females.

It's all about sex: male-female differences in lung development and disease.

 

[We Never Know]

That is precisely (at least in part) my point! I'm a male -- XY, woohoo! -- although I happen to be gay. I was raised as a male, I've lived as a male, I still feel like a male. And try as I might, I cannot grok what it is to "feel or identify as female." All I can do is try my best to listen, understand, and empathize to the best of my ability. That's all.

So how does anybody else (whatever their chromosomal configuration) get to decide what another person "feels or identifies as?"

Do you? By what authority, or by what mechanism? Does your "authority" or "mechanism" give you licence to tell another person that they are wrong to feel or identify as they do? Explain how!

So if Lia (this all comes from that swimmer, after all) was born XY and "feels and identifies" as a female -- is she right or wrong? How does any of us even begin to decide what another person should feel? I certainy can't!

Can you?

I'm not deciding. I asked your thoughts.

 

[We Never Know]

At that time, justices should do extensive legal & other
research to grasp the problem, & craft a working legal
definition. For a Congress critter to expect such a thorough
answer off the cuff is ridiculous

Ok. Don't worry about it til it comes up. That's always useful

 

[Revoltingest]

Ok. Don't worry about it til it comes up. That's always useful

Why worry at all.
Do you think she should've crafted a definition on the spot,
without doing any legal research? Or should she already
have a legally sound & tested definition at the ready?

 

[We Never Know]

That would be insulting.
She should refuse, thereby setting
limits for these misbehaving brats.

That's just mischief...nothing to do with
evaluating a potential SCOTUS justice.

If she can't define what a woman is, how can she claim the title of being the first black "woman" on the supreme court?

 

[We Never Know]

Why worry at all.
Do you think she should've crafted a definition on the spot,
without doing any legal research? Or should she already
have a legally sound & tested definition at the ready?

See my last post

 

[Revoltingest]

If she can't defune what a woman is, how can she cliam the title of being the first black "woman" on the supreme court?

Perhaps you missed the context. As a potential
SCOTUS justice, any definition she'd give would
have to be legally sound. She could easily know
she's female, without knowing a definition that
would apply generally in a court of law.

 

[Revoltingest]

See my last post

I saw it.
It lacked answers.

 

[We Never Know]

Perhaps you missed the context. As a potential
SCOTUS justice, any definition she'd give would
have to be legally sound. She could easily know
she's female, without knowing a definition that
would apply generally in a court of law.

Its about what a woman is, not what a female is.

 

[Revoltingest]

Its about what a woman is, not what a female is.

I've nothing to add.

 

[We Never Know]

I've nothing to add.

My mare is a female, not a woman.
My German Shephard is a female, not a woman.

 

[We Never Know]

I've nothing to add.

Woman vs. Female
Yes, it matters which term you use.

Woman vs. Female