Kelly of the Phoenix
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Do you worship Moses or Jesus?
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What is the definition of a "Woman"?
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Wildswanderer
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What does compassion have to do with it? I have compassion on anyone bound by any falsehood. That doesn't make me agree with thier delusions.
I believe we are what God made us. If we think we are something else that's due to a defect somewhere in our minds. And yes we all have them to some degree.
I never said everything that comes from your mind, and everything under the umbrella of psychology is make believe, I said Gender AS YOU ARE DISCRIBING IT is make-believe when compared to biology
I say to both of you, your identity -- the person you think yourself to be in the sacred precincts of your own mine -- is the person that you ARE.
And you are both saying that in the case of trans- people, who they are is a MISTAKE, an ILLNESS.
Now, you two may well be the world's greatest experts on subjects such as this, but other (comparatively dumber) organizations like the World Health Organization, the American Psychiatric Association, HCA Virginia, and many others disagree. No doubt they are not as smart, nor as well educated as you are.
For myself, I know I'm not so smart, nor so well educated. But I know I care more about those people (and all others) than you appear to. Despite your claims to be, in one case Christian, and the other Humanist.
So, I'll stop talking to you. But please, do send your findings along to those organizations I mentioned -- along with your research, of course -- so that they can correct their most egregious errors.
Wildswanderer
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How would you know that you care more?
That's a very strange statement to make.
Your words speak for themselves. You yourself described their own feelings, their own identities, as "falsehoods," "delusions," and "defects" in their minds.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
So what you are saying is that it's more caring to let people lie to themselves than to be truthful?
Why do you believe they're lying to themselves?
Is it not possible to have a brain & body of different genders?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
That doesn't make sense.
If that's what is going on, then it's a mental illness.
Elaborate?
It could be viewed as physical or mental....or a combination.
The symptoms are typically mental. But it whether "illness" is
an appropriate label, I don't know.
So you think it best to "fix" people who don't meet your expectations?
That's as ugly today as it always was, even though we don't do with it stakes and burning anymore.
Your observational capability is not credible since you think that this is in a theater. You're not capable of differentiating between what is theater or not, so your claim of being able to tell if someone is acting, just went down the drain.
No, If I have dementia, Schizophrenia, or some other type of mental disorder and am convinced I am something or someone I am not, I would be wrong; and everybody tip-toeing around me pretending I am who I say I am is not doing me any favors.
I never said that. I said if you can’t define what a woman is, what makes you qualified to claim you are a woman?
First of all, there is not a consensus with experts on this subject. But the experts you mentioned are not a part of this conversation, you are; so I am talking to you.
Your ignorance (and I say this though I may be censured for it) is to suppose that a human being is "just one thing." It is not. It is a complex of systems of all kinds: biological, electro-chemical, physical, mental. These systems work by themselves, usually without our conscious knowledge -- and this is especially true of our mental systems.
I know, I can demonstrate, that there are systems in my brain that work without my conscious awareness -- that can then interrupt...make themselves known to my conscious awareness...and then disappear again so that I don't even know what happened!
That last is the case in so many sports, just for example. The batter in a baseball game, trying to hit a 97mp\h ball with a curve thrown by the pitcher -- if he had to work it out: where's the ball going to be in 1.423 seconds when it reaches me, how do I begin to move my arms and my whole body, what angle should I be turning my wrists to --- oh that could go on forever. Well, to hit that ball -- if he were working it out mentally -- he would need at very minimum quite a few minutes. That, I presume you can see, is not what happens -- not even close.
You know, by your own words, nothing whatever about how the mind (both conscious and unconscious) works -- and yet you have managed to turn what one mind knows of itself into "LIES."
You might want to think about how well you understand what you are saying. I no longer need to -- I know how well you (don't) understand it.
Just out of curiosity -- have you ever studied (I mean really closely looked at, not noticed out of a corner of your eye) the work that those professional organizations I mentioned have been doing around the subject of gender dysphoria? Are you up-to-date on the current science? Or do you just "know" because you're so "knowledgeable?"
There are some ways that brain functions that are
completely foreign to me. Some of the many....
1) Female brain in male body.
2) Belief in God
But I observe that even though I don't experience
#1 or #2, I accept that these are real mental states,
ie, the people with these conditions are both honest
& correct. So public policy should address them as
real conditions....not whims, choices, or lies.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
That's not even the question. Would it be kind to let a boy think he's a girl when he isn't?...is a better question. Why would anyone encourage that?
I'm just a guy with an opinion; that's all. If you disagree with my opinion, tell me why; that's called having a discussion.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
The delusions you allude to that sometimes accompany those disorders are specific and verifiably false, while femininity is a set of culturally-specific themes for gender roles and thus freely available to adopt by individuals, especially those whose biological wiring may associate more strongly with them.