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What is the difference, if any, between philosophy and religion?

Jeremiahcp

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What is the difference, if any, between philosophy and religion?

*Please don't ask me how to define philosophy and religion, as it is a question about your thoughts. If I were to predefined them I would be restricting the terms to my standards; I want it to be more open than that. Simply make sure to explain your position in a plain and easy to understand manner.
 

ADigitalArtist

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Sorry, had to. :grin:
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In seriousness though, to me philosophy is the pursuit of how to ask the right questions and establishing a proper framework for those questions. Individuals may use a framework to attempt a conclusion, but those conclusions aren't an innate part of philosophy, and asking more questions and debating the merits of a conclusion is the whole point.

That isn't the point of religion as I understand it. Which is a series of specific questions and answers regarding human purpose and human destination, usually (but not always) with the involvement with a presumed supernatural force or being, and ritualized practices that are part of that religion.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
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Hard not to be snarky here, but I'll try...

The overlap I see is that they both sometimes attempt to answer some of life's important questions. To me religion *often* pretends to have answers to these questions, and philosophy hopes to help you figure out the answers for yourself.
 

David T

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Well religion and philosophy as brain scans today show are highly cog, cog, cog
Cog-nitively inter connected which is defined as normal.

The much more rare primitive, unevolved, primal, pre literate defective brain which we call abnormal defective according to philosophy and religion and science and taught to us by our mother the blessed alma mater(get a life time loan today) is something to avoid for normal highly functioning cog cog cog cog-nitive types. So self understanding is critical here. Cog cog cog-nitive normals believe believe believe they understand the bible faithfully atheistically. The abby- normal flips the cog cog cog nitivez the finger, cuz they don't give a **** about Webster's the God of words. More feel lessssss thought btw.
 

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Sunstone

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What is the difference, if any, between philosophy and religion?

That's a fair question, given that most of us don't understand what philosophy is. We tend to get formal or academic philosophy -- the philosophy of Socrates, Plato, Nietzsche, etc -- mixed up with what I call "informal philosophy" or "street philosophy". But there's a huge difference between the two.

Formal or academic philosophy is based on reason. It's like a game with one rule, and one rule only: Whatever you claim or assert to be true must be demonstrable by reason. That is, it must be strictly logical.

On the other hand, in informal or street philosophy, you are free to claim or assert something for all sorts of "reasons", including simply that it makes you feel good to think it's true. But in formal or academic philosophy, your reasons must be logically demonstrable. That's the rule of the game. The only rule of the game.

So how does formal or academic philosophy compare to religion? Well, religious beliefs tend to be held for a variety of "reasons", including that they are traditional, or that they are derived from an authority, such as a prophet, or that they make one feel good to hold them. That is, religious beliefs are not always held because they are demonstrable to strict logical reasoning. And in that respect, they are more like street philosophy than they are like formal philosophy.

Another way religion is different than philosophy is that religion involves much, much more than philosophy. It involves practices like worship, ritual, feasts, festivals, meditation, and so forth. And it is usually wrapped up in a community of followers, among other things. In fact, it is highly arguable that community is more important to most religions than are beliefs. Philosophy has no such corresponding "infrastructure" as religion has. So the two are radically different in that respect.

Those are two ways that I can think of off the cuff in which religion and philosophy differ from each other.
 

Unveiled Artist

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What is the difference, if any, between philosophy and religion?

*Please don't ask me how to define philosophy and religion, as it is a question about your thoughts. If I were to predefined them I would be restricting the terms to my standards; I want it to be more open than that. Simply make sure to explain your position in a plain and easy to understand manner.

To me philosophy is "Who am I?"; Psychology "How do I define myself"; and then religion, "What do I do to express who I am and how I define myself."

Philosophy is thinking about what the answers Could be

Religion is taking those answers and making a structure (ritual, community, book, spell corredence, or so forth) for someone to live by those answers and Applying it to their life.

And to add..

Philosophy isnt religion. Religion has a lot of philosophy in it.

Eh.
 

psychoslice

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I would say that philosophy is the investigation of all religion, where as religion is a dead belief that never goes further.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Philosophy encourages open exploration of the questions at hand.

Religion tends to stagnate more around a set dogma that at times, can become ridiculously persistent.
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
What is the difference, if any, between philosophy and religion?

*Please don't ask me how to define philosophy and religion, as it is a question about your thoughts. If I were to predefined them I would be restricting the terms to my standards; I want it to be more open than that. Simply make sure to explain your position in a plain and easy to understand manner.
Peace be on you, and have blessed new years to come:

Philosophy is study of a knowledge / system at academic level.

Religion is belief and practice about the understanding of God, His teachings about relation with Him and His Creation.

[For example, the title of a book written by the Founder of Ahmadiyya Community is: The Philosophy of Teachings of Islam]
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Well religion and philosophy as brain scans today show are highly cog, cog, cog
Cog-nitively inter connected which is defined as normal.

The much more rare primitive, unevolved, primal, pre literate defective brain which we call abnormal defective according to philosophy and religion and science and taught to us by our mother the blessed alma mater(get a life time loan today) is something to avoid for normal highly functioning cog cog cog cog-nitive types. So self understanding is critical here. Cog cog cog-nitive normals believe believe believe they understand the bible faithfully atheistically. The abby- normal flips the cog cog cog nitivez the finger, cuz they don't give a **** about Webster's the God of words. More feel lessssss thought btw.
You aren't, by chance, channeling Becket, are you?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
In my own view, the difference between philosophy and religious is motive -- you are either motivated to know and to understand the truth (however that may be achieved), or you are motivated to have answers, without much regard to whether those answers are true or not. The former is philosophy, and it's bloody hard work. The latter is religion, and it's pretty easy and let's you get on with doing whatever it is you were going to do anyway.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Philosophy is the talk on a cereal box
Religion is the smile on a dog
I'm not aware of too many things
I know what I know, if you know what I mean, d-doo ya?

-Edie Brickell and the New Bohemians.
 

David T

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You aren't, by chance, channeling Becket, are you?
Ha!!! A bit more outdoors john Muir type and not depressed like beckett!!! Which I think is mandatory for Irish poet types.!!! I am not sure from reading beckett he was aware nature even existed!!! Certainly my theology professors didn't but such is the 20th century humanites departments. Content content content, /never contentented unless it is content,/ That can be turned into a buck,/i should have gotten a job in the marketing department/but I was never contentented with content.


Maybe more like really bad Lewis carroll!! Btw is an evangelical humAnist like an evangelical Quaker? Seems conflicted by maybe not!!
 
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Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
What is the difference, if any, between philosophy and religion?

Well, religion attempts to be useful and relevant by asking and answering questions people care about. Philosophy is attempting to look super intelligent by asking and answering questions that hardly anyone cares about.

I respect religion quite a bit more than philosophy, and I'm an atheist.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
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Ha!!! A bit more outdoors john Muir type and not depressed like beckett!!! Which I think is mandatory for Irish poet types.!!! I am not sure from reading beckett he was aware nature even existed!!! Certainly my theology professors didn't but such is the 20th century humanites departments. Content content content, /never contentented unless it is content,/ That can be turned into a buck,/i should have gotten a job in the marketing department/but I was never contentented with content.
I mentionedBeckett only because the post I responded to had overtones of Lucky's speech in Waiting for Godot.
Maybe more like really bad Lewis carroll!! Btw is an evangelical humAnist like an evangelical Quaker? Seems conflicted by maybe not!!
EvangelicalHumanist was conceived to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Greek eu (good) and angelos (messenger). Thus "bearer of good news of humanism" along with a poke at the religious types.
Well, religion attempts to be useful and relevant by asking and answering questions people care about. Philosophy is attempting to look super intelligent by asking and answering questions that hardly anyone cares about.

I respect religion quite a bit more than philosophy, and I'm an atheist.
 

David T

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I mentionedBeckett only because the post I responded to had overtones of Lucky's speech in Waiting for Godot.

That indeed is an interesting play. I once tossed the God of words a dictionary off a 300' cliff into the ocean (contemplated the polution factor and decided **** it doing it anyway) and asked how did the God of words evolve and from that and then from that the word of god!!!! Then again did the word of God come first and the God of words afterwards? Heraclitus said " the logos is common but everyone seems to have their own understanding".

If we create a text so simple as the New testament and we stand back from religion and ask which interpretion is correct, one eventually realizes (with contplation or psychedillics or both) that if a simple story such as the new testament is not understood by the people who wrote it, then how much more difficult is it to understand something we did not create, which is nature? We are pretty convinced we understand nature and God but I see tiny evidence of that being true. That's the dilemma one faces and then you are stuck mashing language into fictional story and strange structures to express that. I at least try and do it with a smile!!!
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Well, religion attempts to be useful and relevant by asking and answering questions people care about. Philosophy is attempting to look super intelligent by asking and answering questions that hardly anyone cares about.

I respect religion quite a bit more than philosophy, and I'm an atheist.
I'm surprised at your response: Whether you care about the questions or not isn't the point, it's whether you are providing reasonable answers, or just making stuff up that sounds good.
 
What is the difference, if any, between philosophy and religion?

*Please don't ask me how to define philosophy and religion, as it is a question about your thoughts. If I were to predefined them I would be restricting the terms to my standards; I want it to be more open than that. Simply make sure to explain your position in a plain and easy to understand manner.

I consider something a religion if it involves belief in supernatural forces/beings, an afterlife, reincarnation, and/or claims of miracles. Personally I consider Buddhism or Confucianism more as philosophies than religions. Though to be honest my knowledge of them is limited.
 
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