What is the NATO?

[Revoltingest]

That's why I suspect that someone in the US paid Hitler to invade Russia, and to take Moscow.
In order to erase that disease called Socialism.

More whataboutism from the gal from the
country that embraced Hitler, the Holocaust,
& mass murder in conquest of Europe.

Your claim of censorship in the west, & that
the real info is available only in Russia & in
Russian is ludicrous. Russia under Putin
allows only propaganda.

Ukraine: the history behind Russia’s claim that Nato promised not to expand to the east

Russia insists that there was an agreement not to expand Nato eastwards after the end of the USSR. History begs to differ.

theconversation.com

 

[Estro Felino]

More whataboutism from the gal from the
country that embraced Hitler, the Holocaust,
& mass murder in conquest of Europe.

First of all Italy had no idea of what the Holocaust was, and by the way the king surrendered to the Americans after arresting Mussolini.
And by the way... there was something too fishy going on between Germany and America after the war.
It was too obvious that the Nazis had prostituted themselves to defeat Communism.

 

[Revoltingest]

First of all Italy had no idea of what the Holocaust was, and by the way the king surrendered to the Americans after arresting Mussolini.
And by the way... there was something too fishy going on between Germany and America after the war.
It was too obvious that the Nazis had prostituted themselves to defeat Communism.

More excuses for Italy.
And more demonization of USA.

 

[Estro Felino]

More excuses for Italy.
And more demonization of USA.

My country is a socialist one.
It cannot be accused of hating Russia who has never stopped being socialist.
I mean...the nationalization of all raw materials. That's the quintessence of Russian socialism.

 

[Altfish]

First of all Italy had no idea of what the Holocaust was, and by the way the king surrendered to the Americans after arresting Mussolini.
And by the way... there was something too fishy going on between Germany and America after the war.
It was too obvious that the Nazis had prostituted themselves to defeat Communism.

Good grief Estro, you are going down Putin's rabbit hole.
The US wanted Germany's rocket technology, that was what was going on.
Apologising for the Nazis, awful.

I know we are on the opposite side of the political field but you are really going into the abyss.

 

[Altfish]

My country is a socialist one.
It cannot be accused of hating Russia who has never stopped being socialist.
I mean...the nationalization of all raw materials. That's the quintessence of Russian socialism.

Point one is debatable.
Point two is false, it is run by billionaires for billionaires.
The billionaires own the main raw materials.

 

[Revoltingest]

My country is a socialist one.

"The people" own all these companies?

List of companies of Italy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Estro Felino]

"The people" own all these companies?

List of companies of Italy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The healthcare is public. That's a start.
Most companies will be nationalized when the socialists will come back to power.

 

[Revoltingest]

The healthcare is public. That's a start.
Most companies will be nationalized when the socialists will come back to power.

When they're nationalized, then & only then will Italy become socialist.
I offer a curse....
May your country realize this dream.

 

[Nakosis]

I am asking all the people who live in a NATO country:
what exactly is the NATO?

When I was very little, at school, I thought the NATO was a great organization meant to spread peace and to solve the international controversies through diplomacy and political support.
I thought the NATO was synonym with values, with principles of decency, honesty, equality, freedom, solidarity and cooperation.

But when I became an adult, I started feeling nausea, every time I used to think of NATO. Nausea and fear.
Now I feel like vomiting.
Because the NATO has turned out to be a warmongering organization meant to make the ongoing conflicts escalate... and to turn all conflicts into economic operations.

So ...I was wrong when I was little
I thought the NATO was synonym with peace and peacekeeping. Now I know that NATO is synonym with Military-Industrial Complex, with Industries producing Warfare and with Warmongers.

It is an defensive alliance which Putin sees as a threat to the expansion of his economic interests.
Countries which enter into NATO benefit the economy of Europe and the US at the expense of Russia's economic expansion.

 

[lukethethird]

I am asking all the people who live in a NATO country:
what exactly is the NATO?

When I was very little, at school, I thought the NATO was a great organization meant to spread peace and to solve the international controversies through diplomacy and political support.
I thought the NATO was synonym with values, with principles of decency, honesty, equality, freedom, solidarity and cooperation.

But when I became an adult, I started feeling nausea, every time I used to think of NATO. Nausea and fear.
Now I feel like vomiting.
Because the NATO has turned out to be a warmongering organization meant to make the ongoing conflicts escalate... and to turn all conflicts into economic operations.

So ...I was wrong when I was little
I thought the NATO was synonym with peace and peacekeeping. Now I know that NATO is synonym with Military-Industrial Complex, with Industries producing Warfare and with Warmongers.

Considering the countries that NATO has bombed and the fact that this bloodbath in Ukraine was predicted decades ago as a direct result of NATO's' easterly expansion, and the fact that NATO has now formed a Pacific alliance to take on China over Taiwan, it becomes rather apparent that NATO is the problem.

 

[Revoltingest]

Considering the countries that NATO has bombed and the fact that this bloodbath in Ukraine was predicted decades ago as a direct result of NATO's' easterly expansion, and the fact that NATO has now formed a Pacific alliance to take on China over Taiwan, it becomes rather apparent that NATO is the problem.

Self defense is treated as aggression because
it gives the aggressor an excuse to attack.

 

[lukethethird]

Self defense is treated as aggression because
it gives the aggressor an excuse to attack.

Defense, right.

Sweden Calls on NATO to Focus on China to Placate Trump​

Sweden Calls on NATO to Focus on China to Placate Trump | The Libertarian Institute


Sweden is calling on the alliance to shift some of its attention to China. Stockholm argues this will align the bloc more with former US President Donald Trump’s policies.

On Tuesday, Swedish Foreign Minister Tobias Billstrom explained that the alliance should reorient some of its military assets towards Asia to confront Beijing. “If you want your partner to think about the things you think are a problem, you have to show commitment to their problems, and the American people are more concerned with the threat that China poses than Russia, for obvious reasons,” he explained. Billstrom added the bloc will keep fighting Russia in Ukraine but China “should also be recognized as part of NATO’s concerns, [and] headache.”


NATO is a war treaty forever looking for a war.

 

[Eddi]

Nice thread, Moscow Felino

 

[Revoltingest]

NATO is a war treaty forever looking for a war.

Or realizing that China's aggressive expansion & invasions
pose a threat. And China supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

 

[Wu Wei]

Defense, right.

Sweden Calls on NATO to Focus on China to Placate Trump​

Sweden Calls on NATO to Focus on China to Placate Trump | The Libertarian Institute


Sweden is calling on the alliance to shift some of its attention to China. Stockholm argues this will align the bloc more with former US President Donald Trump’s policies.

On Tuesday, Swedish Foreign Minister Tobias Billstrom explained that the alliance should reorient some of its military assets towards Asia to confront Beijing. “If you want your partner to think about the things you think are a problem, you have to show commitment to their problems, and the American people are more concerned with the threat that China poses than Russia, for obvious reasons,” he explained. Billstrom added the bloc will keep fighting Russia in Ukraine but China “should also be recognized as part of NATO’s concerns, [and] headache.”


NATO is a war treaty forever looking for a war.

Since no country in East Asia is part of NATO that makes no sense what-so-ever..... to me that article is utter nonsense. Add in that Trump wants Europe to pay its way or he will Quit NATO..... so I doubt the validity of the article

 

[lukethethird]

Or realizing that China's aggressive expansion & invasions
pose a threat. And China supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

^Of course, all countries that remain neutral and call on Ukraine and Russia to make peace support Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I think we all know that by now, I mean, how many times do you have to repeat that?^

 

[Revoltingest]

^Of course, all countries the that remain neutral and call on Ukraine and Russia to make peace support Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

A call to "make peace" by letting Russia keep land it took is to support Russia.

I think we all know that by now, I mean, how many times do you have to repeat that?^

We know what you mean.

 

[Magic Man]

This is unfindable in English.

The Odessa massacre of 2014. The Ukrainian Nazis murdering innocent civilians.

2 maggio 2014, la strage di Odessa. Una delle pagine più nere dell’Ucraina | il manifesto

Crisi Ucraina (Internazionale) I filorussi bruciati vivi nella casa del sindacato. Alcuni si buttarono dalle finestre. Di Redazione esteri

ilmanifesto.it

I mean:

2014 Odesa clashes
Ukraine crisis: Dozens killed in Odessa fire amid clashes
Russia’s Lie Machine Fans Flames of Odessa ‘Massacre’

Please stop spreading misinformation. It was not Ukrainian Nazis murdering innocent civilians. It was two protest groups clashing, one pro-Russia and one pro-Maidan.

"This rally was attacked by a 300-strong mob of Odesskaya Druzhina (Russian: Одесская дружина) members armed with bats and firearms at Hretska Street.[65][22][82] Police did not attempt to separate the two rallies from one another."

A pro-Russian protester, Vitaly Budko, used an AK-74, shooting from behind the police line, and killed at least one pro-Maidan protester.

"Budko later left the scene in ambulance together with police commander Dmitry Fuchedzhy. Fuchedzhy shortly after fled to Russia and obtained Russian citizenship, while Russian law enforcement denied any legal help to Ukrainian investigation of his role in the tragedy."

From the beginning tensions were high. It escalated into violence mainly from the pro-Russia side. The fire that was started was in relation.

 

[Magic Man]

^Of course, all countries the that remain neutral and call on Ukraine and Russia to make peace support Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I think we all know that by now, I mean, how many times do you have to repeat that?^

I mean, yeah, that's kind of how it works. It's like a police officer is beating an innocent civilian to death, and others are "neutral and just want peace between the two". The right thing to do is condemn Russia, support Ukraine and try for peace by telling Russia to stop their invasion.

I guess the question is for you. How many times does that need to be repeated before it sinks in for you?