What is the NATO?

[Estro Felino]

That is not logical. Being a European you have more in common with America. Russia is not a democracy. It is a dictatorship. Italy is much more like America.

Of course, if we speak of democracy, it's a Western democracy.
But I believe that capitalism is really unbridled in the US. Which is something I don't understand.

I wouldn't say it's normal. Yes, you trust it because it makes sense to you. We know that. We're just telling you that it shouldn't make sense to you, and you shouldn't trust it. You should stick to facts and reality. The entire point of propaganda is to get believe to believe things that aren't true. That's what you're doing.

I was saying that Europe is made of nation states. It's not something gigantic like the US.
It's much tinier, and countries are nation states. So Donbas is a Russian-speaking region that wants to stay in the Russian Federation.

That said... I have never denied Russia need to become more democratic.

 

[Magic Man]

Of course, if we speak of democracy, it's a Western democracy.
But I believe that capitalism is really unbridled in the US. Which is something I don't understand.

I'd like at least a lot more control over our capitalism, but this is irrelevant. Italy is much more similar to America than to Russia.

I was saying that Europe is made of nation states. It's not something gigantic like the US.
It's much tinier, and countries are nation states. So Donbas is a Russian-speaking region that wants to stay in the Russian Federation.

That said... I have never denied Russia need to become more democratic.

I'm not sure why you said all this in response to what I said (which is pretty common). Donbas does not want to be in the Russian Federation, though.

Again, you're just spreading Russian propaganda.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course, if we speak of democracy, it's a Western democracy.
But I believe that capitalism is really unbridled in the US. Which is something I don't understand.

This shows how little you know of Ameristan.
Capitalism is very "bridled".
Just not as much as you socialists want, ie,
government running the means of production.

 

[Stevicus]

Russia was the big dog.
And it was (is) a vicious one.
Policies should specifically address such threats.
The only big question is what those policies should be.

Yes, that is the big question, as it always has been. But we also need to be circumspect, practical, and rational about these things.

I haven't ranked the various threats, & don't argue which is greatest.
Nonetheless, Russia does pose a threat, eg, the Ukraine invasion,
statements showing plans to invade more countries.

It just depends on whose perspective you're looking from. If it's from an American perspective, that's one thing. If it's from a Ukrainian perspective, that's quite another.

Russia's invasion, killing, & destruction in
Ukraine is just a "border dispute"?
You're serious?
Understatement of the century.

As I said, we need to look at these things rationally, not get overamped with emotionalism.

 

[Revoltingest]

It just depends on whose perspective you're looking from.

Duh.
From the perspective of those threatened by Russia.
Certainly not from Russia's perspective.

 

[Stevicus]

Duh.
From the perspective of those threatened by Russia.
Certainly not from Russia's perspective.

Nor from an American perspective, it would seem.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nor from an American perspective, it would seem.

Only to you.

 

[Estro Felino]

This shows how little you know of Ameristan.
Capitalism is very "bridled".
Just not as much as you socialists want, ie,
government running the means of production.

My mind is incapable to understand how healthcare can be something private.

If you think that's something normal...then yes, we are culturally different.

 

[Revoltingest]

My mind is incapable to understand...

Well, I wasn't going to go there.

 

[Stevicus]

Only to you.

Not just me.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not just me.

Finding validation in agreement with some others, eh.

 

[lukethethird]

Only to you.

I think the grandiose displays of moral outrage has clouded people's perception of the fact that the border has moved a few hundred miles west in order to include the Donbass regions. Kiev has been bombing those regions since 2014 so it is no wonder that the ethnic Russians voted to join Russia.

 

[Stevicus]

Finding validation in agreement with some others, eh.

You just said there were no others. Now, you say that there are.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think the grandiose displays of moral outrage....

 

[Revoltingest]

You just said there were no others. Now, you say that there are.

I said something different.
Note that "you" can be plural.
Your inference is mistaken.

 

[Stevicus]

I said something different.
Note that "you" can be plural.
Your inference is mistaken.

OK.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, I wasn't going to go there.

I was wondering...
if Italy quits the NATO and joins the Russian alliance...
would you be okay with it?

 

[Revoltingest]

I was wondering...
if Italy quits the NATO and joins the Russian alliance...
would you be okay with it?

As OK as I am with Italy supporting
Hitler's invasion of Europe & Russia.

 

[lukethethird]

At least my moral outrage extends to all the heads of nations equally that are engaged in this overblown border dispute. Ukraines are not saints in all of this and neither are any of the warmongers and the cheerleaders no matter what side they claim to be on.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think the grandiose displays of moral outrage has clouded people's perception of the fact that the border has moved a few hundred miles west in order to include the Donbass regions. Kiev has been bombing those regions since 2014 so it is no wonder that the ethnic Russians voted to join Russia.

The American elitist gangs that the CIA serves thinks we Europeans are handicapped.
They thought that by installing a proxy government harassing and persecuting ethnic Russians of Donbas to provoke Putin, and to push him to cross the Ukrainian border, we would have concluded that he is the bad guy, because he invaded Ukraine.