What is the NATO?

[Estro Felino]

As OK as I am with Italy supporting
Hitler's invasion of Europe & Russia.

I asked you a question. I want a clear answer. Yes or no.
Eluding questions is not fair.

 

[Revoltingest]

At least my moral outrage extends to all the heads of nations equally....

That's a problem.
The invader & the invaded are morally equivalent.'

You remind me of how the local public schools
dealt with bullying. When the bully attacked the
victim, both were guilty of fighting, & both were
punished. You'd have a bright future in government.

 

[Revoltingest]

I asked you a question. I want a clear answer. Yes or no.
Eluding questions is not fair.

That wasn't clear?
Such hebetude.
No.

 

[Estro Felino]

That wasn't clear?
Such hebetude.
No.

That means my country is so important that it cannot be renounced by the NATO?
Thank you...that's so flattering.

 

[Revoltingest]

That means...

...that I wouldn't approve.

 

[lukethethird]

That's a problem.
The invader & the invaded are morally equivalent.'

You remind me of how the local public schools
dealt with bullying. When the bully attacked the
victim, both were guilty of fighting, & both were
punished. You'd have a bright future in government.

Poking the bear is a more accurate analogy. It appears that the west did everything in their power to poke the bear, and the foolish bear took the bait.

 

[Revoltingest]

Poking the bear is a more accurate analogy. It appears that the west did everything in their power to poke the bear, and the foolish bear took the bait.

Like victims of spouse abuse.
"She just wouldn't shut up. So I had to hit her."
Provocation claimed as an excuse to do wrong.

 

[Regiomontanus]

My mind is incapable to understand how healthcare can be something private.

If you think that's something normal...then yes, we are culturally different.

Health care should be a Constitutionally protected right.

 

[Magic Man]

I think the grandiose displays of moral outrage has clouded people's perception of the fact that the border has moved a few hundred miles west in order to include the Donbass regions. Kiev has been bombing those regions since 2014 so it is no wonder that the ethnic Russians voted to join Russia.

I think grandiose displays of moral outrage has clouded people's perception of the fact that Russia is invading a sovereign country and is committing war crimes, that there is zero justification for what they're doing and that it's much much bigger than a simple border dispute.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Poking the bear is a more accurate analogy. It appears that the west did everything in their power to poke the bear, and the foolish bear took the bait.

Yes. And bears become more dangerous the more you corner them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes. And bears become more dangerous the more you corner them.

So do Ukrainians.

 

[Regiomontanus]

I think grandiose displays of moral outrage has clouded people's perception of the fact that Russia is invading a sovereign country and is committing war crimes, that there is zero justification for what they're doing and that it's much much bigger than a simple border dispute.

Zero justification from the perspective of who?

 

[Magic Man]

At least my moral outrage extends to all the heads of nations equally that are engaged in this overblown border dispute. Ukraines are not saints in all of this and neither are any of the warmongers and the cheerleaders no matter what side they claim to be on.

So, your outrage extends to Putin? He's responsible for it. It's not an overblown border dispute. It's Putin using flimsy justifications to try to stop Ukraine from joining NATO.

Whether Ukrainians are saints isn't relevant. They didn't cause this or ask for it. They're being invaded. This is the problem. You put blame on Ukraine and everyone else but barely say anything negative about the actual cause of it all in Russia and Putin.

 

[Estro Felino]

Like victims of spouse abuse.
"She just wouldn't shut up. So I had to hit her."
Provocation claimed as an excuse to do wrong.

No, the offense must be proportionate to the offense.
The Donbas people were being bombed and massacred. Very proportionate.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, the offense must be proportionate to the offense.
The Donbas people were being bombed and massacred. Very proportionate.

You have a strange view on proportion.

 

[Magic Man]

Poking the bear is a more accurate analogy. It appears that the west did everything in their power to poke the bear, and the foolish bear took the bait.

What exactly did the west do to poke the bear? Ukraine said they wanted to join NATO. NATO didn't even say they'd accept them. Again, this is why we point out that you defend Russia. Putin wanted this. Putin instigated this. Putin escalated this. Putin carried this out. There was no provocation and no poking the bear. The only one close to doing that is Putin.

 

[Magic Man]

Zero justification from the perspective of who?

Any rational person not buying into Russian propaganda.

 

[Estro Felino]

So do Ukrainians.

Ukraine is just a pawn.
Americans couldn't care less about Ukraine. They just want to poke the bear and to find a pretext to wage a war on the tsar.

You surely don't know that my country has a long tradition of bringing East and West, Russia and NATO, together.
So...I can recognize those who do anything to be enemies to Russians.

Here, Berlusconi took both Putin's and Bush's hands and made them shake hands.
As we can see we Italians bring peace. Not war.

 

[Magic Man]

No, the offense must be proportionate to the offense.
The Donbas people were being bombed and massacred. Very proportionate.

No, they weren't. Please stop spreading lies.

 

[Magic Man]

Ukraine is just a pawn.
Americans couldn't care less about Ukraine. They just want to poke the bear and to find a pretext to wage a war on the tsar.

Again with the lies. Nope. Putin didn't want Ukraine to join NATO. He started all of this and carried it out. He backed the small group of separatists in Donbas as a pretext for the invasion. He is poking the bear.