What is the Rapture?

[Ebionite]

Has the battle between Second Coming and the Anti-Christ already started?

Apparently there are more than one.
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2 John 1:7

1. Of Faith in the Holy Trinity. There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts, or passions; of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the Maker, and Preserver of all things both visible and invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three Persons, of one substance, power, and eternity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

https://www.anglicancommunion.org/media/109014/Thirty-Nine-Articles-of-Religion.pdf

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Because context matters.

Sorry, but Rev 12:1 provides absolutely no context to Rev: 13:16. I have nothing against you personally. I'm not mad or irritated. But there is a minimal amount of reasonableness that is necessary to a conversation. I no longer have any desire to discuss Revelation with you. I wish you well.

 

[Sargonski]

Apparently there are more than one.
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2 John 1:7

1. Of Faith in the Holy Trinity. There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts, or passions; of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the Maker, and Preserver of all things both visible and invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three Persons, of one substance, power, and eternity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

https://www.anglicancommunion.org/media/109014/Thirty-Nine-Articles-of-Religion.pdf

Are you saying the Trinity is from the deceivers as per 2 John 1:7 ?

 

[paarsurrey]

Ebionite said:
Apparently there are more than one.
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2 John 1:7

1. Of Faith in the Holy Trinity. There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts, or passions; of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the Maker, and Preserver of all things both visible and invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three Persons, of one substance, power, and eternity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

https://www.anglicancommunion.org/media/109014/Thirty-Nine-Articles-of-Religion.pdf

Are you saying the Trinity is from the deceivers as per 2 John 1:7 ?

paarsurrey : post #84
Hellenisation of Christianity is described as the emergence of “dogmas,” i.e., imperious (high handed) teachings promulgated by the church as the condition for salvation , #205 , and Trinity is among "the emergence of “dogmas,” i.e., imperious (high handed) teachings promulgated by the church , having no basis in the teaching of Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah, right?

Regards

 

[Sargonski]

Ebionite said:
Apparently there are more than one.
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2 John 1:7

1. Of Faith in the Holy Trinity. There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts, or passions; of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the Maker, and Preserver of all things both visible and invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three Persons, of one substance, power, and eternity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

https://www.anglicancommunion.org/media/109014/Thirty-Nine-Articles-of-Religion.pdf

Hellenisation of Christianity is described as the emergence of “dogmas,” i.e., imperious (high handed) teachings promulgated by the church as the condition for salvation , #205 , and Trinity is among "the emergence of “dogmas,” i.e., imperious (high handed) teachings promulgated by the church , having no basis in the teaching of Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah, right?

Regards

The early Church spent 300 years debating the nature of the Divinity of Jesus .. and nobody agreed on much .... half God, half man - fully God -an apparition, fully man .. and everything in between.

One thing in which there was no disagreement .... is that Jesus was subordinate to the Father .. and to claim that Jesus was "The Father" .. was heresy. Yet .. this is the one thing Constantine Changed now isn't it .... Turning Jesus into the Most High. Settled the debate once and for all .. but only after Arianism raged on for another 4 centuries --- then finally the issue was settled by the sword.

Only an idiot believes that it was God .. "the Father" who was hanging on the cross .. who then in some kind of masochistic delerium forgot who he was and started calling out to some non existent God .. claiming to have been betrayed and forsaken by this God..

The famous last words of our Hero .. forsaken by his God cries out "My God, My God -- why have you forsaken me" why did you not save me .. having put myself in your hands .. but begging the previous night "Please take this Cup From My Hand" “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Again we are to believe that Jesus (God - The Father) - is having an imaginary conversation with himself .. asking himself to take the cup away from himself ..

As I try to picture this I think of holding a glass of wine in one hand .. and trying to drink.. but using the other hand to stop myself from drinking .. in some kind of bad drunken comedy skit.

The Trinity Doctrine is not just Stupid .. it is a convoluted contradiction of meaningless stupidity. Jesus is both the Father and Holy Spirity .. but Jesus is neither the Father Nor the Holy Spirity.

Can you imagine when they first came up with this .. then working through it figured out the obvious contradiction .. then comming up with apologies like "The ways of God are beyond human comprehension" Yeah ... that will work and it did !

 

[Muffled]

I believe the Rapture by anti-gravity is Christian nonsense.

I believe you have no supporting facts for that view.

 

[Muffled]

Nobody has and nobody ever will.

I believe the Bible says that people will see Jesus coming in the clouds.

 

[Muffled]

Your response makes no sense.

Rev 19:11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war Rev 19:12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in4 blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God
Mat 24:30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Rev 19:11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war Rev 19:12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in4 blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God
Mat 24:30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory

You have quoted two passages, but made no comment. I cannot read your mind. You need to spell out what point you are trying to make, and why you think these verses are connected. Thanks.

 

[soulsurvivor]

I believe that sounds like JW nonsense.

So please tell us your nonsense instead.

 

[paarsurrey]

The early Church spent 300 years debating the nature of the Divinity of Jesus .. and nobody agreed on much .... half God, half man - fully God -an apparition, fully man .. and everything in between.

One thing in which there was no disagreement .... is that Jesus was subordinate to the Father .. and to claim that Jesus was "The Father" .. was heresy. Yet .. this is the one thing Constantine Changed now isn't it .... Turning Jesus into the Most High. Settled the debate once and for all .. but only after Arianism raged on for another 4 centuries --- then finally the issue was settled by the sword.

Only an idiot believes that it was God .. "the Father" who was hanging on the cross .. who then in some kind of masochistic delerium forgot who he was and started calling out to some non existent God .. claiming to have been betrayed and forsaken by this God.

The famous last words of our Hero .. forsaken by his God cries out "My God, My God -- why have you forsaken me" why did you not save me .. having put myself in your hands .. but begging the previous night "Please take this Cup From My Hand" “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Again we are to believe that Jesus (God - The Father) - is having an imaginary conversation with himself .. asking himself to take the cup away from himself ..

As I try to picture this I think of holding a glass of wine in one hand .. and trying to drink.. but using the other hand to stop myself from drinking .. in some kind of bad drunken comedy skit.

The Trinity Doctrine is not just Stupid .. it is a convoluted contradiction of meaningless stupidity. Jesus is both the Father and Holy Spirity .. but Jesus is neither the Father Nor the Holy Spirity.

Can you imagine when they first came up with this .. then working through it figured out the obvious contradiction .. then comming up with apologies like "The ways of God are beyond human comprehension" Yeah ... that will work and it did !

I have liked one's post and some of the points I have even

shared on Facebook, with one's name friend @Sargonski , right?

Regards

 

[Sargonski]

I have liked one's post and some of the points I have even View attachment 81500 shared on Facebook, with one's name friend @Sargonski , right?

Regards

That would not be me .. but not surprised to hear there are others using it. You do know who Sargon is of course !? ~ 2300 BC United the City States of Sumer - ia into the worlds first Empire .. the Man .. the Myth .. the Legend .. He was "Ancient History" to" everyone" in the Near East and further .. the Kings lf later nations naming themselves after him .. and Akkadian . if you are a fan of "The Rock" or not a fan but at least have seen the Movie "Scorpion King" .... not that the movie has anything about Sargon Historically .. other than the Akkadians.

Sargon of Akkad -- Was abandoned to the river in a basket .. Plucked out .. raised by Kind Gardener .. where upon he is adopted by the Goddess Innana if memory serves but matters not .. becomes cup Bearer to the King .. and from there himself becomes King ...and great warrior .. who leads his people to greatness ...

Not sure if any of that sounded familiar... but if you guessed that it was the Moses Motif .. full marks

Now .. I have some Ukrainian Genes .. about half I am told .. and I took the liberty of Ukrainianizing the name of the Hero of our story

 

[Sargonski]

I believe the Bible says that people will see Jesus coming in the clouds.

Yeah .. but that was predicted to happen in the lifetime of that generation .. .. so don't hold your breath -- and join some kind of Messianic apocalyptic end of the world group on the basis of that passage

 

[paarsurrey]

Muffled said:
I believe that sounds like JW nonsense.

So please tell us your nonsense instead.

Interesting point.

Regards