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What is the relationship between faith and reason?
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Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
"Science (reason) adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can be preserved."
Scott1
Well-Known Member
In case you ever have time to read the Catholic view on this:
"Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truthin a word, to know himselfso that, by knowing and loving God, men and women may also come to the fullness of truth about themselves."
Fides et Ratio - John Paul II - Encyclical Letter (September 15, 1998)
Yeah^
Carpenter Rabbi
Member
^This. The faith(ful) I've seen seem to oppose any observations that contradict the faith.
Faith is hope for a better tomorrow. Faith can be based on real circumstances and completely possible.
Reason is being aware of the possibilities which can be based on mathematical constructs.
We need both to accurately predict what will actually be realized.
Oak of Justice
Member
To reason, is to find evidence for your belief. To God ,having faith and being faithful are essential. Scripture has it;
"Faithfulness has disappeared, the word of God is gone from their speech".
"Open up the gates to let in a nation that is just, one that keeps faith".
They will be my people and I will be their God with faithfulness and justice".
"I will restore your judges as at first, and your counselors as in the beginning; After that you shall be called city of justice, faithful city. Zion shall be redeemed by judgment, and her repentant ones by justice.
Rebels and sinners alike shall be crushed, those who desert the LORD shall be consumed."
" A branch shall sprout from the stump of Jesse, and a shoot from his roots shall blossom. The spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him: a spirit of wisdom and of understanding, A spirit of counsel and of strength, a spirit of knowledge and the revere of the Lord, and his delight shall be the revere of the Lord. Not by appearance shall he judge, nor by hearsay shall he decide, But he shall judge the poor with justice, and decide aright for the land's afflicted. He shall strike the ruthless with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall slay the wicked. Justice shall be the band around his waist, and faithfulness a belt upon his hips.
"Faithfulness has disappeared, the word of God is gone from their speech".
"Open up the gates to let in a nation that is just, one that keeps faith".
They will be my people and I will be their God with faithfulness and justice".
"I will restore your judges as at first, and your counselors as in the beginning; After that you shall be called city of justice, faithful city. Zion shall be redeemed by judgment, and her repentant ones by justice.
Rebels and sinners alike shall be crushed, those who desert the LORD shall be consumed."
" A branch shall sprout from the stump of Jesse, and a shoot from his roots shall blossom. The spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him: a spirit of wisdom and of understanding, A spirit of counsel and of strength, a spirit of knowledge and the revere of the Lord, and his delight shall be the revere of the Lord. Not by appearance shall he judge, nor by hearsay shall he decide, But he shall judge the poor with justice, and decide aright for the land's afflicted. He shall strike the ruthless with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall slay the wicked. Justice shall be the band around his waist, and faithfulness a belt upon his hips.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
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That's awfully "lyrical". You can add that to a song.
But faith isn't hope. Faith is belief without sufficient evidence. Faith may engender hope, but they're hardly the same thing.
Faith can be "based on" (?) reality, fantasy or on nothing at all.
I think you've got it backwards, Oak. To reason is more to analyse evidence and come to a reasonable conclusion based on this. There's no a priori belief involved.
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Denial of anything actual isn't faith, it's denial.
Faith is conviction independent of observation, not in conflict with it.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Except that a healthy faith leaves room for doubt.
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
Romantic. Kinky, even, at times.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Not necessarily, although that is quite often the case.
Faith can also be adjusted to fit observation and reason.
Skwim
Veteran Member
I would call that belief. Faith is belief with trust; a trust that doesn't admit doubt.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
Faith supplements our own brain's limited ability to reason.
I'm not sure anything I trust is with certainty. Most supposed knowledge is about 85% to 95% certain with little doubt but the doubt is there. Faith and doubt are in degrees and relative to one another.
edit: just to add, faith and doubt are both making presumptions without enough knowledge.