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What is the true 7th day Shabbat?

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perets

Member
In the first few verses of Genesis, we see that god rested on the seventh day.
Latter in Exodus we see that god told mosses to count the month according to the Luner Calander
 
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perets

Member
Muffled said:
I take it you were there and know what day that was? I believe the Jews just picked a day but I don't have any evidence. Maybe God told Moses what day it was. At any rate I don't follow anyone but God and that means Jesus to me.
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Well for all i know, Mosses was here a little before Jesus...
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
q konn said:
The calendar was different. That could have been a Wednesday, on our calendar, for example. It's arbitrary.
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Well why are the Jews still keeping Saturday after all these years, I think its just one big excuse that those who are Sunday worshipers try to justify.
 
james2ko

james2ko

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LionofYehuda said:
How sure are we that the current Saturday is the true 7th day Shabbat. I pose this question because of the teaching that surfaced on "lunar Shabbat" Although I have some answers but I would like to know how you handle this question. I believe many of you in this forum have done a lot of study on "lunar shabbat". Lunar shabbatarians claim that the saturday observed by the jews IS NOT the CORRECT shabbat. they say that the weekly shabbat must be reckoned from every New Moon. By the way, what is our proof that saturday is really the 7th day shabbat.
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How come the Gregorian 7th day coincide with the Hebrew calendar 7th day of the week. I appreciate a lot your answers.
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In spite of the days of the week having Roman names, there is no scriptural, historical, or scientific evidence to suggest the 7th day is any other day but Saturday or more precisely Friday sunset to Saturday sunset:

Science:

"I have always hesitated to suggest breaking the continuity of the week, which without a doubt is the most ancient scientific institution bequeathed to us by antiquity" (Edouard Baillaud, "The Report," p. 52. [Baillaud was Director of the Paris Observatory.]).

"There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in any way the cycle of the week" (James Robertson, personal letter, dated March 12, 1932. [Dr. Robertson was Director of the American Ephemeris, Navy Dept., U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C.]).

"As far as I know, in the various changes of the Calendar there has been no change in the seven day rota of the week, which has come down from very early times (F.W. Dyson, personal letter, dated March 4, 1932. [Dr. Dyson was Astronomer Royal, Royal Observatory, Greenwich, London.]).

"The week of seven days has been in use ever since the days of the Mosaic dispensation, and we have no reason for supposing that any irregularities have existed in the succession of weeks and their days from that time to the present" (Dr. W.W. Campbell, Statement. [Dr. Campbell was Director of Lick Observatory, Mt. Hamilton, California.]).
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History:

"For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible."- Catholic Virginian, To Tell You the Truth," p. 9, Oct. 3, 1947"

"Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day Saturday for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day? I answer no!"- James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), signed letter

"The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a Divine command in this respect, far from them, and from the early apostolic Church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday." - Dr. Augustus Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and Church, Henry John Roses translation, p. 186, 1843
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Bible:

Christ's crucifixion offers insight to which day of the week is the 7th day. To reconcile the biblical account of 3 "full" days and 3 "full" nights--72 hrs--in the grave, Christ had to have been placed in the tomb late afternoon on Wednesday the 14th of Nisan 31 AD--The Passover. (Day of the week is confirmed by the Naval Observatory here).

That day was the preparation day for the "High" sabbath on Thursday which began on Wednesday after sunset (Joh 19:31--First Day of Unleavened Bread)--not the weekly Sabbath as so many believe.

Mar 16:1 and Luk 23:56 tell us both Mary's bought and prepared spices sometime after the High Sabbath on Thursday but before Friday sunset, which was also a preparation day. After two sabbaths (Thursday and Saturday--Mat 28:1-sabbaton-plural) had passed, very early on the first day of the week (Sunday), they came to the tomb.

Christ had already been resurrected prior to them reaching the tomb early on the first day of the week (Mat 28:6). An indication He was resurrected sometime late afternoon Saturday, which had to be the 7th day, precisely 72 hrs after his body was placed in the tomb!

Science coupled with the biblical accounts gives us ironclad proof the seventh day today is Saturday.

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McBell

McBell

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psychoslice said:
Well everyone knows that Jesus was said to be taken down from the cross on Friday before sunset, I am sure you can wok out the Sabbath from there.
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So you have nothing from the Bible to present in the Biblical Debates section of the forum?
Sad really.

Though, thanks for playing.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Muffled said:
Their calendar is a lunar calendar and not the same as ours.
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So, you think when Christians switched from the lunar to the solar calendar they lost track of which day of the week it was? Also, a reminder that we Jews living in Christian countries that switched also used both calendars, such as we do here in the States, and we never lost track of which day Shabbat is because the day is the same, albeit called by different names. The only other difference is when the day starts, and with us on our lunar calendar it starts at sundown the day before.
 
LionofJuda

LionofJuda

Member
Anybody out there who could answer my question "Why the 7th day Shabbat happens to be Saturday?" I know the Shabbat has already existed prior Saturday. But how come Shabbat becomes Saturday? Does it mean the Gregorian Calendar just placed Saturday on the 7th day of the week which is Shabbat as from time immemorial observed by the jews.?
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
perets said:
And he told you that its sunday?... I dont mean to be disrespectful but, not everyone around believes that to be true
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I believe He told me that the seventh day is any day you want as long as it is the seventh but even then one can do things beyond the needs of the body if the exigency is great. A sabbath is also a day to think of the holiness of God but that can be any seventh day also as long as it is kept holy.

I believe there are many beliefs whether valid or not. I am true to God's will is that what you mean?
 
McBell

McBell

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psychoslice said:
All I know is that the seventh day is Saturday, its strange that you cannot see that ?.
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I flat out asked for BIBLICAL reference that "Saturday" is the sabbath.
You have not presented anything Biblical nor have you stated you have nothing Biblical to present.

All you have presented is an appeal to tradition fallacy.
So before you make another sad attempt at insulting my intelligence, how about you back your empty claim with something other than a logic fallacy?
Preferably with Bible verses seeing as this thread is in the Biblical Debate section.
 
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perets

Member
rosends said:
this is a significant statement. According to Jewish law, if one is lost somewhere and loses track of the days of the week, he picks a day and celebrates the sabbath on the 7th day from that counting simply because it is the day after the 6th day.
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The reason for that is, because God rested on the seventh Day of the worlds creation, if you lost count, you should observe The 7'th. This dosn't say that one could choose a day and simply count till 7 days passes
 
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