What is the true 7th day Shabbat?

[McBell]

The reason for that is, because God rested on the seventh Day of the worlds creation, if you lost count, you should observe The 7'th. This dosn't say that one could choose a day and simply count till 7 days passes

Yet you present nothing to show that a specific day of the week (Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday) is the end all be all seventh day.

 

[perets]

I dont need proof for that. Its a known that the church moved the sabbath from saturday to sunday, thats besides the fact that the whole idea of the sabbath is to rest on the seventh day.

 

[perets]

In Hebrew there are no names for the weekdays; for instance, monday is called יום שני The second day

 

[rosends]

In Hebrew there are no names for the weekdays; for instance, monday is called יום שני The second day

You might be interested in the days of the week in the Georgian language
http://www.omniglot.com/language/time/days.htm

 

[McBell]

I dont need proof for that.

Then there is no need to take your claim seriously.
It can be dismissed as fanciful wishing.
Thanks.

 

[perets]

Then there is no need to take your claim seriously.
It can be dismissed as fanciful wishing.
Thanks.

The Church didn't?

 

[rosends]

The Jewish notion

Then there is no need to take your claim seriously.
It can be dismissed as fanciful wishing.
Thanks.

that Saturday is the sabbath day is simply an appeal to tradition. If you are interested in the proofs and arguments, I can point you to this.

 

[McBell]

The Church didn't?

So?
People are free to take you seriously or not.
I do not take bold empty claims based on fancy wishful thinking seriously.
Since you present nothing but fanciful wishing in support of your claim...

 

[McBell]

The Jewish notion

that Saturday is the sabbath day is simply an appeal to tradition. If you are interested in the proofs and arguments, I can point you to this.

My point is that no one has ever shown me where the Sabbath "HAS" to be Saturday, or Sunday.
In fact, the best I can make out from what has been shown is that you work six days and take the seventh day off, regardless of what day of the week the seventh day is.

 

[rosends]

My point is that no one has ever shown me where the Sabbath "HAS" to be Saturday, or Sunday.
In fact, the best I can make out from what has been shown is that you work six days and take the seventh day off, regardless of what day of the week the seventh day is.

The biblical text assumes that one has started counting from some moment and kept the seventh day from that moment, each time the 7th day rolls around. The fact that that 7th day happens to be what we call "Saturday" is simply a coincidence of the calendar. That 7th day could have fallen on something called "Tuesday" if that was, by the count, 7 days since the last sabbath. If the calendar was shiften tomorrow, the 7th day might end up at some other point. The secular calendar day is an afterthought.

 

[McBell]

The biblical text assumes that one has started counting from some moment and kept the seventh day from that moment, each time the 7th day rolls around. The fact that that 7th day happens to be what we call "Saturday" is simply a coincidence of the calendar. That 7th day could have fallen on something called "Tuesday" if that was, by the count, 7 days since the last sabbath. If the calendar was shiften tomorrow, the 7th day might end up at some other point. The secular calendar day is an afterthought.

Seems to me the problem is that there is abswolutely nothing that says or implies that everyone must have the same day of the week the sabbath, but people want it to.

 

[rosends]

Seems to me the problem is that there is abswolutely nothing that says or implies that everyone must have the same day of the week the sabbath, but people want it to.

I don't worry about other people. I know when my tradition tells me mine is and I try to get that one right.

 

[perets]

http://www.sabbathtruth.com/free-re...6/catholic-church-admits-they-made-the-change

 

[McBell]

http://www.sabbathtruth.com/free-re...6/catholic-church-admits-they-made-the-change

I do not hold the Catholic Church as being an authority over the Bible.

 

[metis]

A reminder that "Shabbat" is actually the name for a specific day of the week, so there's a problem of logic in saying that "I am going to observe Shabbat on Sunday", which would be like me saying "I'm going to observe Saturday on Sunday".

 

[McBell]

A reminder that "Shabbat" is actually the name for a specific day of the week, so there's a problem of logic in saying that "I am going to observe Shabbat on Sunday", which would be like me saying "I'm going to observe Saturday on Sunday".

Yet people are all the time observing Christmas, Thanksgiving, Halloween, and even their birthdays on days that are not the actual date....
Most communities (at least in my area) observe trick or treat on a day other than October 31st.

 

[McBell]

A reminder that "Shabbat" is actually the name for a specific day of the week

What day?
Oh, and what language?
Seems to me in Hebrew 'sabbath' means "day of rest"

 

[metis]

Yet people are all the time observing Christmas, Thanksgiving, Halloween, and even their birthdays on days that are not the actual date....
Most communities (at least in my area) observe trick or treat on a day other than October 31st.

It really doesn't matter to me which day someone may observe as their day of rest or even if they choose to observe any day at all, but for us Jews it's a different matter.

 

[metis]

What day?
Oh, and what language?
Seems to me in Hebrew 'sabbath' means "day of rest"

Yes, it means not only "rest" in Hebrew but is also the name of the day of the week that runs from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.

 

[rosends]

What day?
Oh, and what language?
Seems to me in Hebrew 'sabbath' means "day of rest"

When we count days, count "day 1" "day 2" etc, but we have no "day 7". Instead, we say "the day of Shabbat" so while the word is a descriptor, it is also the name for that day.