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What is the Word (John1:1)?
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Let us read from the Acts of the Apostles as preached by apostle Peter and as written in:
Acts 2:22-24 New International Version (NIV)
“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.
My comment:
I am pretty sure that Peter who is an apostle of Christ knows Jesus Christ better than you and better than me.
I am pretty sure Peter knows what Jesus looked like and what he really is.
According to apostle Peter who saw Jesus what was he?
Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God
The man put to death by nailing him to the cross
But God raised him from the dead
SA Huguenot
Well-Known Member
I dont know about what you claim, but lets see what Peter does say about Jesus when he claimed Jesus was God.
Mat 16:15 He (Jesus) saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Note that Jesus dont tell Peter he is wrong in calling him God!
But lets see what Peter himself says!
2Pe 1:1 From: Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus, the Messiah. To: Those who have received faith that is as valuable as ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus the Messiah.
Mmmm, so peter says Jesus is God.
And Peter and the other apostles also had the same understanding, didnt they?
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Tit 2:13 as we wait for the blessed hope and glorious appearance of our great God and Savior, Jesus the Messiah.
Oh, they read it in the OT!
"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace," (Isaiah 9:6).
Mat 16:15 He (Jesus) saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Note that Jesus dont tell Peter he is wrong in calling him God!
But lets see what Peter himself says!
2Pe 1:1 From: Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus, the Messiah. To: Those who have received faith that is as valuable as ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus the Messiah.
Mmmm, so peter says Jesus is God.
And Peter and the other apostles also had the same understanding, didnt they?
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Tit 2:13 as we wait for the blessed hope and glorious appearance of our great God and Savior, Jesus the Messiah.
Oh, they read it in the OT!
"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace," (Isaiah 9:6).
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Did Simon Peter say: Thou art the Christ, the living God!???
I'm sorry, he did not.
He said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
So here you are terribly wrong.
Jesus Christ is not God because he is the Son of the living God.
Sometimes bible translations are quite misleading aren't they.
It is like the confusing use of the conjunction AND
2 Peter 1:1-2 American Standard Version (ASV)
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained a like precious faith with us in the righteousness of our God and the Saviour Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord;
Based on the above God is distinguished separately from the saviour Jesus Christ. The succeeding verse also separates and distinguish the knowledge of God from the knowledge of Jesus our Lord.
It is a matter of apples and oranges
They are both different and distinguished from each other.
I am asking you to tell me what Bible Translation Version you are using
I have shown you mine
I hope your Bible is not made by some devil.
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Titus 2:13 American Standard Version (ASV)
looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
and
/and,(ə)n/
conjunction
conjunction: and
used to connect words of the same part of speech, clauses, or sentences, that are to be taken jointly.
"bread and butter"
synonyms: together with, along with, with, as well as, in addition to, including, also, too; More
I believe you have a problem using AND
And they really read the OT and understood it, unlike some people.
Isaiah 9:6 American Standard Version (ASV)
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
What was given???
a child is born, unto us a son is given
What is the definition of a child?
child
/CHīld/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: child; plural noun: children
- a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.
synonyms: youngster, young one, little one, boy, girl; More
baby, newborn, infant, toddler;
schoolboy, schoolgirl, adolescent, teenager, youth, young man, young woman, young lady, young person, young adult, juvenile, minor, junior;
stripling, fledgling, whippersnapper;
son, daughter, son and heir, scion, descendant;
offspring, progeny, issue;
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given.....
Is the child Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace????
....his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace
SA Huguenot
Well-Known Member
Thank you!Titus 2:13 American Standard Version (ASV)
looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
and
/and,(ə)n/
conjunction
conjunction: and
used to connect words of the same part of speech, clauses, or sentences, that are to be taken jointly.
"bread and butter"
synonyms: together with, along with, with, as well as, in addition to, including, also, too; More
I believe you have a problem using AND
And they really read the OT and understood it, unlike some people.
Isaiah 9:6 American Standard Version (ASV)
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
What was given???
a child is born, unto us a son is given
What is the definition of a child?
child
/CHīld/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: child; plural noun: children
Did Isaiah say that a god is born, unto us a son is given?
- a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.
synonyms: youngster, young one, little one, boy, girl; More
baby, newborn, infant, toddler;
schoolboy, schoolgirl, adolescent, teenager, youth, young man, young woman, young lady, young person, young adult, juvenile, minor, junior;
stripling, fledgling, whippersnapper;
son, daughter, son and heir, scion, descendant;
offspring, progeny, issue;
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given.....
Is the child Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace????
....his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace
So, If I call Jesus God, I am doing what God said who Jesus is!
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 New King James Version (NKJV)
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Anyone can believe what he likes to believe.
If he wants to believe a LIE
then who am I to stop it?
The whole world is under this strong delusion
Believing on something which is a lie
Like the Trinity.
Now what does the LORD really said who he is?
Isaiah 43:10-11 New King James Version (NKJV)
“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
That you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.
I, even I, am the Lord,
And besides Me there is no savior.
These are the words of the LORD who said
I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.
Who is this LORD who said these things???
Again from the same book of Isaiah this is written:
Isaiah 64:8 New King James Version (NKJV)
But now, O Lord,
You are our Father;
We are the clay, and You our potter;
And all we are the work of Your hand.
The Lord God who said
"Besides me there is no other god;
there never was and never will be."
is none other than the FATHER.
It was the FATHER who said
"Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me."
And what does the FATHER commands every one?
And the Son said something which you refused to listen:
John 17:1-3 New King James Version (NKJV)
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Do people like you believe what Jesus himself said???
So what would the Lord Jesus react and say on Judgement Day?
John 3:18 New King James Version (NKJV)
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
SA Huguenot
Well-Known Member
So what do you say?View attachment 32528
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 New King James Version (NKJV)
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Anyone can believe what he likes to believe.
If he wants to believe a LIE
then who am I to stop it?
The whole world is under this strong delusion
Believing on something which is a lie
Like the Trinity.
Now what does the LORD really said who he is?
Isaiah 43:10-11 New King James Version (NKJV)
“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
That you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.
I, even I, am the Lord,
And besides Me there is no savior.
These are the words of the LORD who said
I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.
Who is this LORD who said these things???
Again from the same book of Isaiah this is written:
Isaiah 64:8 New King James Version (NKJV)
But now, O Lord,
You are our Father;
We are the clay, and You our potter;
And all we are the work of Your hand.
The Lord God who said
"Besides me there is no other god;
there never was and never will be."
is none other than the FATHER.
It was the FATHER who said
"Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me."
And what does the FATHER commands every one?
And the Son said something which you refused to listen:
John 17:1-3 New King James Version (NKJV)
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Do people like you believe what Jesus himself said???
So what would the Lord Jesus react and say on Judgement Day?
John 3:18 New King James Version (NKJV)
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
If God's spirit leaves his Existance and comes to earth and speak to you, that is not God?
If God's Mind, or word comes to the earth and speaks to you that is not God?
if God's Word comes to live in a human body, that Word is not God?
You see, as much as you fight and wish to make the Trinity 3 different Gods, this is not what the Bible teaches.
it is also not a god I believe in.
I believe in a God who has a Spirit and a Word and His Spirit and Word can leave the Father and enter into creation.
period.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Where are your Bible Verses to back up what you say???
None?
What sets you apart from people who fabricated the various Jesus stories?
They too do not use the Bible to present the truth.
Shingō, Aomori - Wikipedia
SA Huguenot
Well-Known Member
Mmmmm,
Where are your Bible Verses to back up what you say???
None?
What sets you apart from people who fabricated the various Jesus stories?
They too do not use the Bible to present the truth.
Shingō, Aomori - Wikipedia
At least we have the Gospels and 5 000 witnesses who saw jesus die on the cross.
The oldest manuscripts of the Gospels that survived for us to know the story of Jesus was true dates from 80AD up.
The picture you post has zero references dating to the first century.
And your claim that Jesus is not God, dates from 300 AD from Arius who denied the Divinity of Jesus.
All the Christians in the first 3 centuries believed Jesus was God.
Therefore, ypour arianism and Isukirism is one and the same.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Again you have no BIBLE VERSE in your post!
Why is that?
You ran out of ideas and you are running on empty?
Check this out in your OWN Bible.
1 Corinthians 8:6-7 New International Version (NIV)
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled.
Who is the us, there by the way?
The early Christians.
What do they believe?
The Father is the one God
SA Huguenot
Well-Known Member
Oh but I did give you verses that clearly showed the Triune nature of God.
The Spirit of God in creation, the Word of God in creation, the Father in heaven, and you still demand that the Bible says nothing.
Well, then I ask you a simple question.
Does God have a Spirit, and does He have a Mind.
And can the Spirit and Mind of God leave His existance and enter creation?
Simple Question.
The Spirit of God in creation, the Word of God in creation, the Father in heaven, and you still demand that the Bible says nothing.
Well, then I ask you a simple question.
Does God have a Spirit, and does He have a Mind.
And can the Spirit and Mind of God leave His existance and enter creation?
Simple Question.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
The Spirit of God in creation, the Word of God in creation, the Father in heaven, and you still demand that the Bible says nothing.
The Spirit of God is not God himself
it is like....
The Smell of SA Huguenot is not SA Huguenot himself
So I have removed the Spirit of God from your equation
so where is your pagan triune god?
(1) Nowhere in the Bible that explicitly says that the Holy Spirit is God.
There is no single verse of the Bible that says that the Holy Spirit is God, nor that the Holy Spirit is the “third person of the trinity.” The word “Trinity” itself is unbiblical or cannot be found in the Bible. The Holy Spirit cannot be the “third person of the one true God” because the doctrine that God is consists of three persons (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit) is against the teachings of the Bible. The Bible explicitly teaches that there is only one true God and there is no other God besides Him:
“Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me.” (Isaiah 46:9, NKJV)
(2) The Father alone is the One True God and the Holy Spirit is different from the Father.
The Lord Jesus taught that the Father alone is the true God:
“Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You…
“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John 17:1, 3, NKJV)
He also taught the Holy Spirit is different from the Father:
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” (John 14:26, NKJV)
The Holy Spirit is sent by the Father in Jesus’ name. Thus, if the Holy Spirit is God there will be two Gods: the Father who sent the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit whom the Father sent in Jesus’ name.
Thus, the Holy Spirit cannot be God because the Lord Jesus Christ clearly taught that the Father alone is the true God and the Holy Spirit is different from the Father.
(3) The Holy Spirit cannot be God because it cannot possibly be equal to God.
The Trinity doctrine tells that the three persons (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit) are coequal. However, this doctrine contradicts the teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. The Lord Jesus also taught that the One who sends is greater than the one sent:
“Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him.” (John 13:16, NKJV)
And the Lord Jesus Himself also taught the Holy Spirit is sent by the Father:
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” (John 14:26, NKJV)
Thus, the Father (the One who sent) is greater than the Holy Spirit (the one who was sent). The Lord Jesus also taught that He Himself sends the Holy Spirit:
“But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.” (John 15:26, NKJV)
The Lord Jesus taught that the One who sends is greater than the one sent. However, the Lord Jesus Himself was sent by the Father, the One True God:
“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John 17:3, NKJV)
Thus, the Father alone is the true God, and no one else besides Him. The Holy Spirit is the “Helper” who the Father (the One True God) sends. Therefore, there is no “Trinity,” there is no “Triune God,” there is no “three persons in One God,” and the Holy Spirit is not God.
SA Huguenot
Well-Known Member
And after all the verses I gave you, you still demand that YHWH does not have a Spirit nor a Mind that can interact with creation, but decide to mock the Holy Spirit.
Well, you are actually mocking the Holy Ghost and committing an offence one can only make against God.
Matthew 12:31, “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.”
So what now?
You say the Holy Ghost is a stinking smell, and Jesus say you are committing Blasphemy!
Well, you are actually mocking the Holy Ghost and committing an offence one can only make against God.
Matthew 12:31, “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.”
So what now?
You say the Holy Ghost is a stinking smell, and Jesus say you are committing Blasphemy!
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
I don't think so.
Anyways, you ran out of points so it would be better to give up.
The truth was spoken by the Lord Jesus
THE LORD JESUS Christ is not God because His Father alone is the true God. Another biblical evidence proving that the Lord Jesus Christ is not God is His explicit pronouncement that He is a Man because the Bible clearly tells us that God is not Man and Man is not God.
GOD IS NOT MAN AND MAN IS NOT GOD
The Lord God Himself explicitly said that He is not Man:
“I will not execute the fierceness of My anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim. FOR I AM GOD, AND NOT MAN, The Holy One in your midst; And I will not come with terror.” (Hoseah 11:9 NKJV, emphasis mine)
The Lord God also said that Man is not God:
“Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyre, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Because thy heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a god, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet THOU ART MAN, AND NOT GOD, though thou didst set thy heart as the heart of God.” (Ezekiel 28:2 ASV, emphasis mine)
God is not Man because God is spirit:
“God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24 NKJV)
A spirit has no flesh and bones:
“And He said to them, ‘Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for A SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH AND BONES as you see I have.” (Luke 24:38-39 NKJV)
The Lord God is a spirit, thus, He does not have flesh and bones. While man is not a spirit because man does have flesh and bones:
“And the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” (Genesis 6:3 NKJV)
Thus, God is not man because God is a spirit, He does not have flesh and bones, while man is not a spirit, he does have flesh and bones.
This biblical truth makes the belief that Jesus Christ is true God and true man an absurdity. If Christ is true God (a true God does not have flesh and bones) and also true man (a man does have flesh and bones), this makes Christ a true spirit and not a true spirit, does not have flesh and bones and does have flesh and bones. God cannot be the author of this absurdity because “God is not the author of confusion” (I Cor. 14:33 NKJV).
This is the truth written in the Holy Scriptures: God is not Man and Man is not God.
CHRIST SAID HE IS A MAN
The Lord Jesus Christ Himself explicitly said that He is a Man:
“I AM A MAN who has told you the truth which I heard from God, but you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like that.” (John 8:40 NCV, emphasis mine)
When Jesus said that He is a man it is like saying that He is not God because it is written in the Bible that God is not Man and Man is not God. What further proves that Jesus is a Man and not God? Luke 24:36-39 reads:
“Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, ‘Peace to you.’ But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. And He said to them, "Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.” (Luke 24:36-39 NKJV)
When the Lord Jesus Christ appeared to the disciples after His resurrection, the disciples taught they had seen a spirit. However, the Lord Jesus said to them, “Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, FOR A SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH AND BONES AS YOU SEE I HAVE.”
The Lord Jesus Christ Himself said that God is a spirit, and He showed that He is not a spirit. Jesus Himself said that a “spirit does not have flesh and bones,” and He showed that He does have flesh and bones. Thus, in stating that He is a man and showing that He is not a spirit but rather does having flesh and bones is also an admission that He is not God.
THE BIBLE CLEARLY TEACHES
THAT JESUS CHRIST IS A MAN
The Old Testament prophecy regarding Christ says that He is a man:
“He is despised and rejected by men, A MAN of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.” (Isaiah 53:3 NKJV, emphasis mine)
God Himself said that Jesus Christ is a man:
“I still did not know that he was the one, but God, who sent me to baptize with water, had said to me, 'You will see the Spirit come down and stay on A MAN; he is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.'” (John 1:33 TEV, emphasis mine)
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST REMAINS A MAN
EVEN HE IS NOW IN HEAVEN
The Bible explicitly said that Jesus is the one sitting at the right hand of God:
“If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.” (Colossians 3:1 NKJV)
And the Holy Scriptures clearly teaches that the one sitting at the right hand of God is a man:
“Let Your hand be upon the man of Your right hand, Upon the son of man whom You made strong for Yourself.” (Psalms 80:17 NKJV)
The reason why the apostles taught that the Lord Jesus Christ is a man even He is already in heaven:
“For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (I Timothy 2:5, NIV)
“People of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus from Nazareth was a very special man. God clearly showed this to you by the miracles, wonders, and signs he did through Jesus. You all know this, because it happened right here among you.” (Acts 2:22 NCV)
Even on His Second Coming, the Lord Jesus Christ remains man in state of being:
“Because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.” (Acts 17:31 NKJV)
CONCLUSION
There are hundreds of verses in the Bible that says that Jesus Christ is a man. Remember the biblical fact that God is not Man and Man is not God. Thus, the fact that the Bible explicitly pronounced that Jesus is a man is equivalent of saying that He is not God.
Christ’s statements in Luke 24:39 is also tacitly teaching us that He is not God. Remember that prior to this event, The Lord Jesus Christ had earlier instructed the disciples about the nature of God. He taught them that God is a spirit (cf. John 4:24). The apostles mistook Him for a spirit which is tantamount to falsely thinking of Christ as having the same nature as God or being God Himself. But, Jesus immediately corrected their wrong conclusion concerning His nature. He emphasized to them that He is not a spirit (Luke 24:39), which is equivalent to saying that He is not God in His state of being.
Jesus’ statement in John 8:40 and Luke 24:39 serve as His didactical teaching to anyone who would think of Him as God. The clarification He made to those who thought of Him as a spirit is a reminder to anyone who would mistakenly think of Him as God. Whenever someone has a question regarding the true nature of Jesus Christ, he should be reminded simply about Jesus’ own statements in Luke 24:39 and His acknowledgment of His nature in John 8:40 wherein He emphatically declared “I am a man.”
RESOLUTION
Active Member
Truth... the place to start is which truth we want to hear. Selective truth is where one person has made up their mind and searches for truth to support what they choose to believe. But the truth the bible talks about is based on a truth from God and his word.. We can answer the question according to the bible. God raised Jesus from the dead by his power. and we can answer it from the personal position of having a relationship with God so we believe the truth for ourselves by his presence. Truth isn't hard to handle. Truth is what exists outside our own chosen beliefs.Jesus Christ is at the right hand of God
that is in everyone's bible
Who raised Jesus Christ from the dead?
a] God did
b] The Trinity did
c] Jesus himself did
d] No one did
Another tricky question for you
Because the Bible is against people who is not with the side of the truth.
John 17:17 New International Version (NIV)
Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
There is only one truth and there are many lies.
Romans 3:4 Good News Translation (GNT)
Certainly not! God must be true, even though all human beings are liars. As the scripture says,
“You must be shown to be right when you speak;
you must win your case when you are being tried.”
RESOLUTION
Active Member
Christ warns those who say we healed and performed miracles in his name. Go away I never knew you. Christ said " If you love me obey my commandments" Chrsts commandments state the whole of the teachings of the prophets and the law are summed up in just two.
I don't think so.
Anyways, you ran out of points so it would be better to give up.
The truth was spoken by the Lord Jesus
THE LORD JESUS Christ is not God because His Father alone is the true God. Another biblical evidence proving that the Lord Jesus Christ is not God is His explicit pronouncement that He is a Man because the Bible clearly tells us that God is not Man and Man is not God.
GOD IS NOT MAN AND MAN IS NOT GOD [//QUOTE]
King James Bible
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Omniscience means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing Christ is not all knowing so he is not God but made one with God by the power of the Holy Spirit as all true believers. But that does not make believers GOD, either just his children.
CHRIST SAID HE IS A MAN
Christ was not born by the power of flesh or the will of man. He was like Adam spoken into being by God and his power.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Christ was not just a human being but created like the first Adam to be born without sin. He like Adam BORN according to the will and power of God, not the will of flesh or man. So born through flesh by the power of God so a descendant of Adam born by Gods power.
THE BIBLE CLEARLY TEACHES
THAT JESUS CHRIST IS A MAN
Yes he is a man but a man like Adam born of the will and word of God.
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST REMAINS A MAN
EVEN HE IS NOW IN HEAVEN
Jesus was and is a Holy thing. Jesus is a man but he is a man who had eternal life and has ascended to God. Jesus having paid the price for sin rose from the dead and can die no more.
CONCLUSION
- Deuteronomy 6:5 “And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.”
- Leviticus 19:18 “You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbour as yourself: I am the LORD.”
RESOLUTION
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Did Jesus die or not?
Was he dead for 3 days [72 hours]?
Was Jonah to all intents and purpose dead in the belly of the whale?
Would his fate be classed as sealed when swallowed or when he would have actually died? Jesus ordeal started on the Thursday night when arrested he was then killed Friday and rose Sunday. The fact is he suffered for 72 hours including death. Then rose from the grave. So his suffering and death right up to resurrection was 3 days.
MJFlores
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That is correct, we should love our neighbors and love our enemies.
So how are you doing? How do you love your neighbor and your enemies?
Matthew 7:21-23 Good News Translation (GNT)
“Not everyone who calls me ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only those who do what my Father in heaven wants them to do. When the Judgment Day comes, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord! In your name we spoke God's message, by your name we drove out many demons and performed many miracles!’ Then I will say to them, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you wicked people!’
Who are the people who calls Jesus - Lord?
Isn't that the so called Christians?
You have the Roman Catholics, also
The Orthodox, Methodist, Baptists, Mormons etc etc.
They all call the Lord Jesus, Lord.
They have preached about Jesus - even though it is a different Jesus.
They may have driven out a thousand or a million demons using the name of Jesus
yet Jesus would say to them
Even if you fully engage yourself in charitable works but is separate from Christ
Christ will say the same words.