What is the World's Oldest Religion?

[Caladan]

So, you also don't see any difference between an apple, a banana and a grape, as they are all fruits?

I would also not see the difference between this so called monolithic lump of Abrahamism from many types of 'Satanism', as at the end of the day its an Abrahamic spin off as well.
sometimes im amazed by the kind of desire members express in learning, considering they have registered into a religious Education Forum.
really, if you truly believe that several major religions are identical, you have not read (or witnessed) anything about the history and politics of the world, both modern and of antiquity.

 

[Orias]

So, you also don't see any difference between an apple, a banana and a grape, as they are all fruits?

Different tastes, same benefits

 

[Orias]

I would also not see the difference between this so called monolithic lump of Abrahamism from many types of 'Satanism', as at the end of the day its an Abrahamic spin off as well.

Your wrong. Satanism is a spin off of Satanism. Satanism has always been and always will be. It is simply a lable for what is natural...

sometimes im amazed by the kind of desire members express in learning, considering they have registered into a religious Education Forum.
really, if you truly believe that several major religions are identical, you have not read (or witnessed) anything about the history and politics of the world, both modern and of antiquity.

You could presume such a thing. But if you knew the fallacy which you have commited, you would not have said Satanism is a spin off of an Abrahamic religion.

I do realize that the actions and crimes commited are different. But I compare more than I contrast, it is simply because my perception is very different than yours...

And excuse my wording when I said I see no differences among them, of course they have differences, but their comparison sticks out more to me...I dunno maybe it is because I am the exact Opposite (definition of Satan) and I am an Advesary (definition of Satan) of what is faith and religion.

 

[Caladan]

You could presume such a thing. But if you knew the fallacy which you have commited, you would not have said Satanism is a spin off of an Abrahamic religion.

Obviously my point has flew over your head at Mach 3.
I do find it cute though, that once your approach was used on your own dogma, you have turned defensive at the drop of a hat.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I don't know what the oldest religion is, but I'm fairly certain it involves a substantial number of incorrect assumptions and faulty conclusions.

 

[Orias]

Obviously my point has flew over your head at Mach 3.
I do find it cute though, that once your approach was used on your own dogma, you have turned defensive at the drop of a hat.

First of all...there is nothing authorative or arrogant about what I said. It was a simple statement.

If I missed the point, then what is it?

You claimed a false piece of information, I simply corrected you.

Dunno how you came up with the conclusion that I was getting defensive...

 

[Caladan]

I don't know what the oldest religion is, but I'm fairly certain it involves a substantial number of incorrect assumptions and faulty conclusions.

Sex and death.. tha'ts the oldest religion, two things which are surrounded by thousands of years of assumptions and conclusions

 

[Caladan]

First of all...there is nothing authorative about what I said. It was a simple statement.

At lease you realize this.

If I missed the point, then what is it?

The point was simple, lumping complicated religious realities and phenomena together, and shrugging the huge baggage they each carry with a mindless 'they are all the same to me' comment is hardly constructive, my point was further made when you couldnt take it when the same was applied to your dogma.

You claimed a false piece of information, I simply corrected you.

Well you know, I'm an atheist.. another religion which draws on Abrahamic folklore is the same as the others to me
see the point now?

 

[Orias]

At lease you realize this.


The point was simple, lumping complicated religious realities and phenomena together, and shrugging the huge baggage they each carry with a mindless 'they are all the same to me' comment is hardly constructive, my point was further made when you couldnt take it when the same was applied to your dogma.


Ok well put it this way. I see minute differences because they all have the same goal, and are basically a chronical of stories. What makes you think I couldn't take it? And I take dogma as an insult. Why does it have to be constructive? It was a simple statement.

Well you know, I'm an atheist.. another religion which draws on Abrahamic folklore is the same as the others to me
see the point now?

There is many types of Atheism to you know...and yes I do.

First you said religious realities...religions are based off of ideals and fantasy, not reality. And there is nothing complicated about them, it is religion i.e. control, manipulate, dominate.

Sure they are differently named so because of their characteristics, but they are religion which makes them clumpable

 

[Caladan]

and yes I do.

Actually I'm not sure you do.

 

[Orias]

You presume what you know. It is obvious. Do you see my point?

 

[Caladan]

You presume what you know. It is obvious. Do you see my point?

When you make one, I'll let you know.

 

[Orias]

Look at post #49

 

[Caladan]

Look at post #49

I'm sorry, you are going to have to articulate it better. eitherway, I feel like we are starting to waste each other's time. you said you got my point, I'll leave it at that before we make this thread mind numbing.

 

[Orias]

I'm sorry, you are going to have to articulate it better. eitherway, I feel like we are starting to waste each other's time. you said you got my point, I'll leave it at that before we make this thread mind numbing.

It seems we have a misunderstanding here. I never meant to come off as arrogant or like I know everything. I am still so young you know , and I am here to learn.

You said Satanism is a spin off of Abrahamic Religion, but it is not, for Satanism has always been. It is just a lable to define what is nature/existence.

I said I see no difference among those religions because of their goals in which they drive for. Mass perceptions and mind control is nothing new to religion. Though there is the heretical few that believe yet view it different...but that is not a subject for now. I see that you may think religion is more virtuous than I claim...but that is your perception not mine.

The point you made was, each religion is unique and complicated in different fashions. This is true when you scope in the logic. The stories, morals, and doctrines may all be different, but in the broader perspective they are no different in motive.

And it may seem irrational to clump such things together, which is not so. Since the matrix of dieties is the mind, and all religions are 'clumpable' since they are religion. If they were different they wouldn't all be considered a religion.

I didn't mean to offend you or anything like that.

 

[ChristineES]

I honestly think the question would be better if it was the oldest known religion. We don't know, but there may have been religion in prehistory. Just because we don't know about about it, does not mean it did not exist for sure.

 

[Orias]

Of course, there must of been some type of worship before religion was known, so does that make it a religion or just a practice?

 

[Noaidi]

Of course, there must of been some type of worship before religion was known, so does that make it a religion or just a practice?

Good point, Orias. From what I've read, a basic animism seems to be the original 'spiritual' endeavour in humans. As far as the oldest 'religion' is concerned, I don't know.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I think it's that one where people ascribe things to an unseen power, take part in funny rituals, and go into denial about dying.

 

[Caladan]

I see that you may think religion is more virtuous than I claim...but that is your perception not mine.

That wasn't my main point, regardless if we find them virtuous or not, we can at least understand some basic differences, and have enough information not to generalize.

I didn't mean to offend you or anything like that.

No offense taken, my point was that the numerous realities of the monotheistic faiths deserve more than a simple and single dimensional generalization, and you acknowledged that this is what I was getting at, so I think we both covered it.